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The jazz variation of opus 111 and the difficulty of playing Beethoven 0:00 Hello everyone, we're starting again our series, which we've titled - for now, as a provisional title - Musicosophy, with Dominique Pagani. Hello, Dominique. Hello, Éric, hello everyone. Yes, I'm not quite awake yet, I must need a coffee, but let's get going. I can make you one, but we haven't made coffee yet. Virtual, yes, that's it. Virtual. Yes. Same for the hairdresser, I'd love it if there were a hairdresser who could remotely...
0:33 Yes, well, in this time of lockdown, we don't even have an in-person hairdresser, as they say, with the jargon. Anyway. So you were telling me off the record, you were already unveiling the plan for this session, you wanted to talk about genre in music. Genre and form, because there's often confusion between the two. Yes, that's good to distinguish. Let me say, to pay tribute to him, because he's one of the young people who follows my talks very faithfully, and those of the association in general, and who used to come, when his work allowed, to my sessions at Goscinny, in the 13th arrondissement, when we could still, before the lockdown, hold...
1:28 Yes, yes. Ah, well, it wasn't continued. Besides, maybe for those who don't know, you give... Live sessions, sorry? Maybe for those who happen to come across this program, it's about every month, roughly, that you give a talk there? Well, that you used to give. In normal times. But now, with the regulations, you can't have more than 10 people, all that, it's complicated with the center itself... But it was indeed monthly, can you confirm, it was indeed monthly. Oh yes, yes, it was once a month. On Fridays? Yes, generally it was Friday, 7 to 9pm, that's it.
2:00 All right, yes. So that we'd free up the audience at the time when people go out on Friday evenings in Paris, and afterward, and at 7pm, so they'd still be out of work by then. Yes, there's a point where I wanted to talk about genres and forms, and what's pushing me to talk about it today is a message I received from him, precisely, where he tells me...
2:37 I'll allow myself to reveal his message behind his back, but it's of quite general interest, since he talks to me about his discovery of the famous finale of Beethoven's last sonata, Opus 111, or the 32nd. It's called the jazz variation, that's it, this is the one. There, and he was struck, as who wouldn't be, by the variation nicknamed the jazz variation, isn't that right?
3:09 Of course, the term didn't exist in Beethoven's time. And the comparison struck him so much that he tells me there are rumors saying it was Beethoven who invented jazz. So I'll follow straight on from that - first I thank him, and I thank him, and if I may, although I have no authority to judge this young man, I allow myself to congratulate him for having chosen, in the link he sent me, the Yves Nat version.
3:43 Who was one of the first to record a complete set, right, of the sonatas? Well yes, our own Yves Nat remains an absolute reference. Who conquered the Everest for me? In the Beethovenian piano repertoire. It's quite rare among French pianists, worth mentioning. Yes, yes. Well, I think there are excellent, immense ones, I don't know, off the top of my head Robert Casadesus, Samson François, but we see them more in Chopin and Debussy. Yes, more in Chopin, yes.
4:13 Or Debussy, Ravel, than in Beethoven - Beethoven always poses a specific problem for performers. That's interesting. I'm coming in through a side door, talking about interpretation, after all this is somewhat among connoisseurs, with lots of quotation marks around 'connoisseurs,' a term both laudatory and pejorative depending on context. It's what we call comparing interpretations. I love doing that, but of course it assumes people who are in the know, as they say. And it happens that Furtwängler says - I often call on him as a critic, and he's not talking about orchestra, he's talking about piano.
4:56 Yes. He was actually a pianist, like most great conductors, particularly Bruno Walter, who was an excellent pianist. Furtwängler says somewhere: I was in a hotel lobby, we were on tour somewhere. And as is often the case in hotel lobbies, there was an orchestra playing pieces that wouldn't disturb anyone, rather crowd-pleasing pieces. Not a piano bar, but a bar orchestra, and there were Strauss waltzes, things like that, excerpts from Franz Lehár, from Die Fledermaus, light music, the kind Hitler preferred, actually.
5:33 We always think Hitler preferred... He adored Wagner, yes. Wagner for propaganda, yes, but it bored him, it was long. On the other hand, what he adored, like most Süddeutschen, with the feather in the hat and the Lederhosen, the leather shorts, was Viennese operetta. I don't mean to say Viennese operetta is Nazi, let me be clear about that. Yes, yes. Not true, yes. There, the reverse doesn't hold. But anyway, he says: I was listening to all that, they were doing very well, I really admired the commitment, the involvement of these musicians.
6:08 So it's funny, these musicians didn't know that one of the greatest conductors of all time was there listening to them, evaluating them inwardly. And then all of a sudden they also struck up some little symphonic excerpts of Beethoven. Catastrophe. They were embarrassed, it was stiff, out of place. It's funny, because Beethoven seems simple, easy. What could be more direct a message, for any audience, that speaks immediately, whether you do it on piano, on orchestra, with the body, with the voice.
6:42 The message is clear. Last time we saw Lévi-Strauss dividing up composers. For what it's worth, like any classification, between musician of the code, musician of the message, and musician of the myth. Example: musician of code, Bach; musician of myth, Wagner; and musician of the message, exemplary, Beethoven. We can see it clearly here. Got it! What matters is the message. Afterward, you dress it up however you like, you orchestrate it, you make it a piano piece, who cares. Or on the score, that's enough.
7:14 So... You hear that the medium is not the message. In Beethoven. Yes, exactly. We need the medium. Exactly. Beethoven very rarely does pianism. Whereas the Romantics don't hesitate to multiply pianistic effects, to showcase the instrument. That's pianism. And you add arpeggios to it. Pushing the instrument even to its limits, which is also very Romantic. Padding, when it's uninspired, is not at all incompatible with producing masterpieces when it's Chopin indulging in pianism.
7:48 I mean, there's never a gratuitous note in Chopin, even when he's showing off his pianistic skill. But still, it's the instrument that's showcased. But it never falls flat. Or very rarely. There's the Fourth Piano Concerto, where visibly he shows he too can deliver in that, in pianism. It's probably, of his compositions, the one where the instrument is most showcased, along with the Hammerklavier Sonata, probably, the 29th. Which was unplayable, even for its time.
8:19 I believe that's the story, unplayable for its time. Exactly. And so it's often been said that it was a gigantic exercise in style. But there you go. And so one might think, since he's a musician of the message, addressing listeners directly, even a popular audience, than what's more popular than ta-ta-ta-ta. I mean, or the Ode to Joy, to speak of those who listen to nothing else. And so that's where the musicians should be most at ease. And Furtwängler says, they were embarrassed.
8:49 Beethoven is very difficult. That's why I allow myself to talk about interpretation, for this paradox, all right? To come back to Beethoven, for my Sébastien sisters, who told me, but it's not possible, I keep playing it on repeat, I can't believe my ears. So, what is it that makes this variation called jazz? I admit I'm not very keen on this name. It doesn't matter much, in any case, my opinion.
Genre defined by destination: from the requiem to the coffee cantata 9:19 But let me clarify and back it up. It shows a certain lack of familiarity with jazz, I'll just say it plainly. I mean, that's normal, jazz. And since we're going to talk about genre and about all musical genres, for now, I'll just say that genres are what makes it so that in a record store, there's a classification between jazz, classical, world music. For now, that's it. It's the external criterion. It's not the inside of the music, the way it's written, its construction - that's the forms, precisely.
9:54 The Beschaffenheit, as they say in German. It's not the internal structure that matters. I'm not asking whether it's fugue form or sonata form. No. But we look at whether it's music made for someone's death, a requiem, to celebrate a victory, a Te Deum. That's the purpose. There. That's another way to place it. It's the extra-musical circumstances on the occasion of which this music was produced. That's the genre. Exactly. Military music is a genre.
10:24 Table music is a genre. Within such vast genres, there are plenty of subgenres. The military music genre isn't as vast as that because, for obvious marching reasons, it's mostly in duple time. Yes, of course. Except for a few offbeats among the Americans, which has become customary and even in marches - listen, they give us a march for Broad. Well, I don't know. There, there, there. But otherwise, sacred music ranges from a vast requiem to...
10:55 Stabat Mater. There you go. A little motet, a very short motet, but overwhelming in its density. Of course, there's room in these genres for plenty of subgenres. But roughly speaking, what matters, what makes us call it sacred music, is that it's made for a mass among Catholics, made for Sunday service when it's a cantata, or when it's a Passion among Protestants.
11:26 Among Protestants, we don't say Passion According to Saint Matthew, there's no 'Saint.' We say Matthäus-Passion, the Matthew Passion. Yes, that's true. Johannes-Passion. Good. There, those are reminders. And then, it even happens that Bach, since I'm on cantatas, in sacred music, of course, I'm thinking of Bach, it happens that Bach writes secular cantatas. That can happen. For a friend's wedding, he wrote festive cantatas, about weddings, the hunting cantata, the famous Coffee Cantata.
11:57 Which I'll dwell on a bit more, because still, for Bach - who didn't write many secular ones - to devote one, you spoke of purpose, that's the right word, to young ladies fond of coffee, it must really have been an event, the eruption of coffee. Coffee in the West, yes. Both as a product, and then as a - by the way, we should pay tribute to the cafés that are closed, because... Sorry? Cafés are closed right now, and in a way, philosophical discussion along with them.
12:29 There, you're doing my psychoanalysis, I notice, because maybe that's why I'm thinking about coffee, because I miss it. Yes, there, that's it. No, not coffee, I have some at home. Yes, because Zoom is nice, but it's not quite... But an interesting metonymy, café first designates the product, then the place where you have it. Right, it was indeed in the 17th, especially the 18th century, that café establishments - the history is well known - started in Venice, gateway to the Orient, since it's a creation not of Arab but of Ethiopian origin, but which the Arabs, great travelers, great intermediaries, Mocha, import-export, that's the Arab world.
13:05 Mocha, import-export. When you're in the desert, what are you going to produce? Nothing at all. You circulate goods that come from India - zero, the invention of zero, that's the Hindus, right? And you transport it to Descartes' door. Yes, so much so that their numerals are called Indian numerals and our numerals are called Arabic numerals. So there, we pay tribute to them here. So coffee is an Eastern creation, then afterward it arrives in Venice, which was the most likely port of arrival, and then from Venice, very quickly, Vienna, one of the gateways to the Orient - the Turks laid siege to Vienna.
13:48 That gave us... Twice, I believe. Twice. No, no, but I never lose my thread, despite appearances. That gave us a musical genre called Turquerie. Yes. Oh well yes, I have three. Me, I have Lully, I have Mozart, and I have Beethoven. There, no, a Rondo alla Turca, a Turkish march, I don't know if it's celebrated, a Turkish march, an Abduction from the Seraglio. Well yes, of course. A Turk in Italy, marvelous. Oh yes, that's true, by Rossini, or an Italian Girl in Algiers.
14:21 That's it, yes. Because Rossini's a clever one, he does the Turk in Italy, the Turk discovers beautiful Italian women. Exactly. You can't help laughing when I think of this man who had a taste for sorbet, he adored that, Rossini, lime sorbet. But anyway. And conversely, for there to be symmetry, he did The Italian Girl in Algiers. The Italian woman who discovers the beauty of North African men, and conversely, the Turk who discovers the beauty of Italians.
14:52 Isn't that beautiful? We talk about globalization as if it were something new, but really. Let me point out in passing... What was he doing in that galley? There, but it starts like that, I'm not exaggerating. The Turk in Italy begins with a shipwreck and we see... So they're in a galley and they're rowing, the sultan's crew, the Turk's crew, rowing near the Italian coast, and there, who does he spot? Maria Callas, who rehabilitated this bel canto repertoire in an incomparable way.
15:25 I recommend it to everyone, extraordinary. I recommend The Turk in Italy, with Callas and Tullio Serafin, the great conductor of this repertoire, who has an actress's talent, and with a marvelous bass, a comic bass. There's another genre. The comic bass, that's not Sarastro, that's not Fafner, it's quite different. It requires a rather rare virtuosity for a bass. The bass doesn't have the mobility of a tenor, doesn't have the fluidity of a baritone.
15:56 And there, it's nevertheless required in this role. So there, there's a marvelous duet. Good morning! And, sorry, but every morning someone comes knocking at our doors and you have to answer with a sonorous 'good morning,' otherwise it means you're dead. I am, after all, in a retirement home. That's why we too say hello to everyone, because, well, that way, to keep oneself alive, through speech. That's on the last words. Through the Word, for the beginning and even at the end was the Word, and we hope there's no lapse into disgrace.
16:31 What you're saying, the very last words of Le Rivage des Syrtes, the narrator. Ah, I knew why the scene had been set, isn't that it? Yes, yes, just before that, right, his interlocutor, he finally encounters the arcana of the Seigneury. He's finally let in on why he was sent there, whereas he thought it was he himself who wanted to go there. He was led along from beginning to end. He tells him because there's a question no one can escape. I'll come back to what was knocking at my door just now.
Genre sonata and sonata form 17:03 Which one, he says: 'Who goes there.' Not bad. Yes, indeed. So that brings us back to what's most alive, this famous jazz variation. Yes, so, I'll return to these considerations on genres and forms in my own way, that is, each time starting from a detour through a concrete example, rather than speaking in a learned and professorial way about genres and forms in the abstract.
17:36 So, why do we call it jazz? Why do we feel driven to include it in the jazz genre? Here we go back to the record racks at the FNAC or at a record dealer's, and we immediately see well-separated bins: here, that's jazz, there, that's world music, there, that's classical. Then we can refine within classical, into baroque, and so on.
18:11 There, we're rather in the realm of styles - baroque, romantics, etc. Yes, we'll specify styles, forms, genres. As I said last time and I'll return to it, it's in things that resemble each other that it's most urgent to draw distinctions and avoid confusion. We've already seen that genre is what allows - you found the right word - relating to the outside. To the purpose.
18:41 There, it's what lets us recall for what, for whom this music is intended. If we call Beethoven's most beautiful trio the Archduke, it's because it's dedicated to Archduke Rudolf, who was one of his patrons. There, very, very. So there's always an issue about dedicatees - the famous 'à Thérèse,' we no longer know, I don't know who this Thérèse is, 'à Élise' even less so, and in fact people think Élise is Thérèse, well, anyway.
19:11 There, there were several Thérèses, that doesn't confide in me. Yes, I believe that's it, we take flight from his doctor, I don't remember anymore. Well, but without going that far, the addressee or the purpose - you'll see why I modify the suffix - need not be a person, it can be an instrument. When I say sonata for piano and violin, I'm defining a genre. The genre 'sonata for piano and violin.'
19:42 There, genre means we're still within what's common to all works assigned to this genre, which is the external constraint. For now, 'sonata, piano, violin' tells me nothing about whether this sonata will use counterpoint as a form of writing, or sonata form, which is quite different from the sonata genre. That's why I speak of sonata. That's not an explanation - that, sonata form is different from sonata genre, explain that to me. It's precisely to get to this apparent complication, which isn't really one, we'll clarify it right away, that I'm deliberately lingering on the sonata.
20:17 We use the word sonata, the term 'sonata,' in two extremely different senses, not to be confused, and most people do confuse them. Namely, there's sonata form, and there's sonata genre. The sonata genre, I've just defined it: it's a work composed for - within it, it's a subgenre of the vast instrumental genre, which I'm contrasting here with vocal genre, for example.
20:50 In sacred music, there's almost always a vocal genre. I set aside an instrumental and more secular genre. People enjoy themselves around a table, as shown in paintings from as early as the 17th century, or Flemish paintings, of a viol, a flute being played around a table. That's relatively recent. And, much more recently, Picasso's musicians - you see, there are many paintings by Picasso showing wandering musicians, often, there. So, within instrumental music, there's the philharmonic orchestra, the symphony orchestra.
21:23 To draw a clear distinction, there's chamber music, and within chamber music, there's the sonata. There, it's clearer now, that is, the most reduced ensemble of instrumental music, to the point that a sonata can be intended for a single instrument, and those are the famous piano sonatas we started from when talking about Beethoven. It can also be, much rarer, sonatas for solo violin - you need the compositional genius of a Bach to populate the sonic space with something as unrewarding as a single violin line.
21:54 Whereas a solo guitar, a solo piano, can easily form chords, that works, that's enough, but a flute alone, a flute alone is linear, you can't make a chord with a flute. And yet, Bach wrote a partita for solo flute. Sonata and partita, for now, are equivalent between us, it's an instrumental piece. So, in fact, it comes - I'm speaking to the linguist you are - it comes from 'sonare,' the sonata, which we contrast with 'cantare.'
22:28 So the sonata is first of all the antonym of the cantata. Exactly. That's what we need to remind our audience, because it becomes much clearer. Yes, because playing the piano in Italian isn't said giocare. No, but there you go. Playing the piano, that's not said with chitarre. No, exactly, but you sound such an instrument, you touch such another, the vocabulary is very precise, you touch the lute. Exactly. Touch, touch, in the music Come Ye Sons of Art by Purcell for the coronation of Queen Mary, you touch the lute.
23:06 Marvelous, marvelous piece. So, there you go. So the sonata, as a genre, defines a destination of musical writing for instruments in reduced numbers. In other words, the sonata almost never goes beyond two instruments. Most of the time it's solos, and most of the time it's for the piano, which is by far the most self-sufficient of solo instruments, because with the piano you can reproduce an orchestra, imitate a vocal line, anything you want.
23:40 The piano has material ease. We had seen that, and I hope we'll come back to it, that the introduction of the piano into homes for reasons of bourgeois social display from the first half of the 19th century onward, the multiplication of pianos in homes—that is, what I called the hi-fi system of the era—since for the first time you could, indoors, at home, work through the whole musical repertoire and let people listen to it in private concerts.
24:10 Yes. Let me recall, to finish this parenthetical reminder, that an immense pianist, a sacred monster of the piano like Sviatoslav Richter, for example, spent the whole first part of his career in the Soviet Union as an opera accompanist, because it's too expensive to pay an orchestra during opera rehearsals to accompany the singers.
24:43 So the singers are in the rehearsal room and there's a piano that replaces the orchestra. The piano can do everything. That explains why it has this incomparable musicality. When with your fingers you're supposed to play the flute or the horn, dream of dream and flute of horn so to speak, or the cello, that gives you a touch. There you go. Without listening. So, there you go. So, sonata, most of the time it's one instrument, two instruments. The most widespread are those made for the most widespread instruments, piano and violin.
The Kreutzer Sonata and the mixed-race violinist George Bridgetower 25:16 So there's the series of sonatas for violin, a marvelous flowering in Mozart, for example. Beethoven will take over, and the most famous of Beethoven's is of course the famous Kreutzer Sonata. Famous not only because it inspired Tolstoy—Tolstoy—to write that extraordinary gripping story which begins, as the Russian novel almost always does, on a train. The genius of brutalism. Yes, of course. No, but I do like that it begins on a train, like Dostoevsky's The Idiot.
25:46 The train is an obligatory figure in the Russian novel, given the distances. It's the story within the story. There you go, there you go. So why? No, no, but I'm not wandering at random. Why am I dwelling a bit on the Kreutzer Sonata, to come back to our starting point? Sébastien Deville was stunned to see Beethoven's jazzistic prescience. If I understand correctly, I think it's the person you were talking about before, and you mentioned his liking for the 30th sonata.
26:20 who, upon discovering—rediscovering a bit, as he says, maybe he hadn't discovered it after all, but maybe he realized for the first time how modern, in quotation marks, we talked about that last time, for the era, this was, especially because of the famous jazz variation, even though there are other passages that are even more modern to me in this movement, in the famous Arietta, Arietta and variations, which closes off Beethoven's entire output. It's almost a little tune—what degree, what umpteenth degree, to close this colossal edifice of Beethoven's piano works, this almost derisory title, little song, Arietta, it's a little tune, 'you'll sing me a nice little arietta,' all right?
27:08 And this colossal song with variations, of which Hans von Bülow, the great conductor, Wagner's unfortunate cuckold and, of course, like all the great German bourgeoisie of the time, an amateur of Oriental and Brahmanic philosophy, said that one of these variations was one of the avatars of Brahma dropping one of his masks. Not bad! Yes, that's good, yes, yes, yes. I mean, it's got some flair, actually more than flair. Yes, that's true, it's got flair.
27:38 So I come back to the enthusiasm and above all to one of the best qualities one can have, to Sébastien's astonishment at recognizing a jazz-like rhythm in this variation—in order not yet to speak... If we're to give a clear definition of jazz, by the way, that's difficult, especially the notion of swing, I think it needs defining, it's dreadful. Precisely, before getting to the application of the problem of genre in general to jazz, what makes up the jazz genre, what makes us say we're in jazz and not in another genre—I'll dwell for now on the Kreutzer Sonata.
28:20 Which sends us back there—well no, it's Opus 111 that sends us back there. The Kreutzer Sonata too, because we don't know it much, but the Kreutzer Sonata, dedicated to Mr. Kreutzer, a virtuoso violinist at the time—Kreutzer never played it. He found it too difficult. Now Beethoven hadn't... Is it like the Goldberg Variations? Did Goldberg play the Goldberg Variations? There you go, or like Anton Rubinstein, the father of Arthur Rubinstein, a great virtuoso contemporary of Tchaikovsky, to whom Tchaikovsky, still a young composer, had timidly shown his concerto, hoping it would get him some publicity, that this great virtuoso applauded in every concert hall would play his concerto.
28:59 And Anton told him it's unplayable. It's difficult. As often happens, young composers in their first works put everything into it. Yes, they put everything in, yes. There you go, there you go. So I come back to the Kreutzer Sonata. Who was it dedicated to first? Dedicated to whom first? To George Bridgetower. Now that, we know much less than Kreutzer. No, but that's where we get to jazz. You think I'm losing my thread. No, Bridgetower was mixed-race.
29:30 That wasn't a common sight in Vienna at the time. He was black. As one would say in ordinary usage, black. Politically incorrect—all Black Africans speak in a politically incorrect way, because they're not fools, they say 'the whites,' they don't say 'the Euro-Caucasians.' So Bridgetower, a fabulous violinist who at the age of 10 was—he was born in London to an English mother and a Jamaican father, roughly speaking, to place him as a contemporary of Beethoven.
30:01 And he was applauded in the salons. The Prince of Wales was stunned to hear him at age 10 display his technical, instrumental skill. And Beethoven, who was friends with him, with whom he often met in taverns—so I imagine Beethoven with my mixed-race friend, downing beer after beer in a tavern on the outskirts of Vienna. That's quite interesting.
30:31 We're not far from jazz there. At the same period, there's Pushkin in the same vein. Yes, and then there's Saint-George, less well known, but a very great musician who was—contrary to what one might think, there wasn't ignorance of the black world. The fame that Bridgetower enjoyed. Now he's forgotten, but at the time he was adored in Vienna, in Paris, in London. As a performer, yes, all right. And yet he was a kid, a visible minority, as we say now.
31:04 A large minority at the time, well, actually a very small minority, there weren't many in the streets of Paris. And then there's this Saint-George who was the darling of music lovers, of Parisian connoisseurs. He's more in Paris. He was... a contemporary of Mozart rather than Beethoven. But you should listen on YouTube. Saint-George is an excellent composer. Have you heard any, I don't know. So, to begin with, I go back, the Kreutzer Sonata was dedicated to George Bridgetower.
31:39 And, wouldn't you know it—I'll finish this index, the second twist, closer-like, in my story—Beethoven fell out with him a few days before the concert. That's why he changed it, he told Kreutzer, who refused to play it—what a story. I'll give away the ending right away before continuing. In the end, since Kreutzer refused, it was indeed Bridgetower who premiered it, with Beethoven at the piano. And Bridgetower was such a good sight-reader that he was reading, over Beethoven's shoulder, an almost unplayable score for the time.
32:12 There you go, I mention this in passing to show you his talent. Now why had they fallen out? Over a woman—that's why I say it's a bit of a soap-opera twist. Because Bridgetower had allowed himself to verbally insult—he must have said, I don't know, 'that bitch' or something, I have no idea—someone who was a friend of Beethoven's, and Beethoven, with his rather touchy, quarrelsome side, took offense. There you go. So you shouldn't think Beethoven was so distant, after all, from the world of slavery transported to the Caribbean, which later produced jazz among a thousand other things.
Syncopation, rhythm and meter in the variation 32:48 We'll get there. Good. So let's come now—yes, that's true—to what makes us call this variation a jazz variation. Of course, its rhythmic obsession, to the point that it made you yourself think of swing. Not jazz exactly. Of syncopation, the syncopated feel perhaps. There you go, there you go. Swing—I'm not the one who's going to teach you that it literally means to swing, and like any swing, every swing has a syncope.
33:18 There you go. It's—the pleasure of the swing set is the pleasure of falling into a swoon. That's it. At a certain point you're in the void, and then you go up, you go down. It's like Schumann's Kinderszenen. There you go, or a bit like the big wheel at the fairground, when the vehicle drops down a vertiginous slope and whoosh, then goes back up. There you go. But the difference is that syncopation in jazz—the big difference compared to the little cars at the fairground—is that it's very periodic.
33:56 First, and the musicological definition of syncopation is that it's a note that begins on measure A and continues into measure B, the following measure. So in principle, each measure ends with a final beat of the measure. If it's a waltz in three beats, each measure has a third beat—more or less swallowed up in the waltz. Pam, pam, not the third, that's it. Well no, imagine I do 'pam' from the following measure.
34:31 That's syncopation. And there, it creates a surprise, obviously, hence the term syncope. Good. And, well, it's true, it's true that this variation has a rhythmic frenzy, but in the sense of the impression I got last time, that the public in general confuses rhythm and meter. This variation is extremely metric. It's almost the whole way through on this rhythm.
35:08 You're talking about the rhythm, aren't you? No, but a bit louder, please. We can't hear, maybe? No, we couldn't hear. There you go. That's what characterizes this variation throughout. All right? But Beethoven doesn't do that melodically. But that's the rhythm. He does this.
35:38 There you go. There's this rhythm, this rhythmic cell that's obsessive and runs through the whole variation. All right? And there, that corresponds to what jazz connotes—and not denotes, really—in the assumed image, especially of those who don't know it very well and don't have a great jazz culture, which is that it points to the whole rhythmic element that is very important in jazz.
Without Africa no jazz, with Africa alone no jazz 36:09 Well, no more so than in Russian music, or Spanish music, or in African music, which isn't at all jazzistic. I remind you that there are more jazz clubs in the single city of Tokyo than on the entire African continent, just to set things straight. There would never have been jazz without Africa. Let that be clear. All right? On the other hand, there would only have been Africa without slavery, without the deportation of populations, and without the contact of those populations with other music at the temple, the Protestant chorale, when you're in Alabama or Georgia.
36:48 At the temple, or the work songs in the cotton plantations to relieve the monotony of the task. All right? Or work songs that prepare the metric regularity of jazz. Sometimes there are those who believe it's the innate taste of the negro—I say 'negro' deliberately, for those who have an ontological image of Blackness as being something almost chromosomal, where rhythm is inscribed. Well, I who have lived, as you know, fairly long in Black Africa, when you see an African mother, a granny, in the street going to market with a basin a meter fifty across on her head, with the baby on her back looking at the world with wide-eyed wonder.
37:35 You understand it's not in the genes. As soon as the mother dances, the kid is right there behind her. He dances with her in osmosis. So obviously, I mean... It's an influence more sociological than ontological. There you go. That the peoples of sub-Saharan Africa are incomparably more gifted—I put lots of quotation marks—for dance than many other places in the world, but I maintain, with the exception of Russians, Spaniards—not bad either—or Latin America, right?
38:06 But that explains especially—the thing about the baby on the back is extraordinary. There's never any emotional blackmail through eye contact, and so on. You never hear them. African babies, they don't cry, they don't have tantrums. That's quite... There you go. He looks at the world. Maybe we should reverse the problem and say that it's the stroller that doesn't favor integration into dance. Well, maybe so. Good, I'm speaking to a father, I'll stop there. But you see how the kid, as soon as he can barely stand on his legs, all right, he's there, around the fire, in the village, and with his legs he imitates all the mamas, the aunties and uncles who are dancing.
38:48 There you go. I close the parenthesis. So, if there were only Africa, there wouldn't be jazz. Jazz, like everything that is musically rich, is impure. It's pointless to trace it back to a single unambiguous origin. That would be as silly as asking what the true source of the Amazon is, because when you go up a river to its source, you reach a threshold of indeterminacy. You're somewhere at the foot of the glaciers, whether it's the Rhône or the Amazon, it doesn't change anything.
39:23 It's structural, in geography it's called a receiving cone. The name says it all. That's what a source is. It's a cone. Is it that trickle running between my legs, or the one three meters away, that is really the true source of the Var, the Seine, the Rhône, the Amazon, the Nile, or the Congo? It's pointless. Because it's precisely when they come together, these various little trickles, as I said, if I may put it that way, it's when they're united that a watercourse begins its life.
39:59 In other words, what in philosophy is called the category of the always-already-complex. Jazz is an always-already-complex. That is, here I begin to sketch the portrait of the genre that lets us classify music into this genre. That is, to arrive at jazz, there had to be, of course, the slave trade.
40:29 Yes, there you see the role of the tragic in history, Hegelian, as you say. That is, I just spoke of the rhythmic richness of the tradition of African music, non-jazzistic, but African music of very great musical richness, apart from that, and not only rhythmic, moreover. I don't know if I need to specify that you're not in favor of slavery, but now let's say, yes, I don't know if we properly understand the performative paradox or not—yes—who freely recognizes me.
41:25 Because if I stand on my head telling myself 'I'm the most beautiful, the best,' that's not going to validate me. And if I slap a slave around so he'll tell me I'm the most intelligent, the most handsome, that's not going to sit well with him either. So what a paradox! All right? The other has to be free for their recognition to make me a free man. There you go, a fine dialectic. Yes, yes, very fine. There you go. So I come back to the slave trade.
41:59 It's dreadful. When it was banned, that was the worst period. You see the paradox? Because when a patrol ship appeared, they were all chained up, they'd open the hatches and throw them into the ocean with irons on their feet. So when they arrive—and I'm dwelling a bit, but I mean, this also explains, it's one of the factors that explains the incredible demographic underdevelopment of so-called Black Africa, or sub-Saharan Africa.
42:29 It's that they didn't come looking for the old and the children. They came looking for able-bodied men. There was a shortfall. They've calculated there were tens of millions who were taken. All right? Plus the desert that isolates. As labor force. Plus the desert, the Sahara—you just have to fly over the Sahara by plane to see the great border. It's there. It's not the Mediterranean that separates us from Africa. The Mediterranean is a hyphen. Ah yes, it's a highway. When I talk with a Tunisian, an Algerian, me, as a Corsican, they're cousins.
43:00 We talk about what? Grapes, goats, sheep, cheese, pretty dark curly-haired girls. And there you go. And then, you have to keep things in check at home, in tradition. Mediterranean tradition is a bit macho. That's a bit of an understatement. There you go. Whether it's Greece, Turkey, Morocco. It's Henri Pirenne's thesis—that the true heirs of the Romans are the Arabs, including even in the djellaba. Because, for example, we wear the costume of the Germanic barbarians, that is, trousers.
43:31 To finish with this alienation in which we deal with Orientals who are so backward as to mistreat their women, I remind you that the greatest poet of Islam, the greatest poet of Islam, Omar Khayyam, spent his whole body of work singing the praises of wine and women. Yes, there are exceptions. There you go. So in Puritanism we do even better, really. I mean, go to the Midwest or to an evangelist preacher, it's not exactly cheerful either.
The chorale sung out of tune: major and minor at once 44:02 There you go. There we are. Since we're on the land where the slaves arrived. So the first collision: they learn hymns, the missionaries say, 'you're going to take off your savage clothes and put on dresses like the Brontë sisters and go to the temple.' There you go. Sing what? Sing the Lutheran hymn, since Luther said as early as the 16th century that the principal divine office, right after theology, is Frau Musica.
44:32 And he himself composed, as a good Protestant, something in the famous 'Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott.' That kind of statement which sums up all German paranoia. Our God is an impregnable fortress. Yes. We're always threatened, we're always under attack. I, who am the threat to all of Europe—it's become a common expression in Germany to say that someone is being paranoid. Yes, but of course. No, but that's the very statement of paranoia. Yes, yes, that's it.
45:02 All right. Well, Charlemagne 'pacified,' in quotation marks—I like the expression, used by antiphrasis—the Saxons. All right? He must have caused hundreds of thousands of deaths by fire and sword. All right? To Christianize them. All right? But for him, the Saxons are a threat. All right? There you go. That's classic. Even in psychoanalysis, we can see clearly that the more aggressive a guy is, the more he's haunted by threats. Ah well, that's it. I won't get into that regarding a certain form of environmentalism.
45:32 The Americans are haunted by the Chinese, who brought them the virus. There, there, there. And I'm not talking about a certain way of using the political management of Covid. There, I'll stop there because otherwise... Well yes, we shouldn't ever finish, right. Good. Because there's a real danger which owes nothing to paranoia, but there's a way of creating collective paranoia in order to introduce reforms. There's another antiphrasis, reforms. Now we know very well that every time someone says reform, it means a counter-revolution.
46:03 Well, it's been almost half a century that this has been the case, that these are regressions. So, back to it. I'm going to sing... But no, no, no. Because in my African musical scale, I'm coming back to serious things. I don't have room to make the half-tones that exist in Western music. So I sing the chorale they want to teach me out of tune. In other words, I don't know how to do... I do the first five notes of the scale which has a half-tone in it.
46:34 It's there. Between E and F. You noticed there's a second one at the end. B, C. Another half-tone. I don't do them, so I do this. And there I get Debussy's whole-tone scale. You can hear Debussy there. Why is it going quiet again? It's a shame the sound is dropping. When you start playing, is it okay? And then afterwards, the sound drops again. Maybe it's the transmission.
47:04 I don't know. But anyway, we'll illustrate it. And Pierre-Alain will show us. But what am I trying to show? That by singing out of tune, but making an effort. There's no one more docile than the African. The more rebellious he is, the more docile he is. That's interesting. Let me explain. This one is major. I do the same thing in minor.
47:34 I'm simply going to lower the E. My third, there. My E, instead of an E, I made an E-flat. I'm going to lower it. If I make a chord, the first in major gives understanding. Perfect major, the second. Much more melancholic straight away. While singing in the minor mode, love triumphant and timely life. They don't seem to believe in their happiness. There. Because that's exactly it, they're singing in minor. Good. What does the African do? He tries hard to make the half-tone.
48:05 He doesn't manage it because he tends rather to produce the minor, that is, to have the whole tone. Since he's in the pentatonic scale — I don't want to be too technical — there are five notes. Those, the ones that are the black notes on the piano. Straight away, it sounds Chinese when I play there. It sounds Asian, it sounds Far Eastern, it sounds like pagoda music, because there's no half-tone, precisely because it's pentatonic. So what's he going to do? And here he creates something unheard-of in the strict sense. Nobody had heard what the African American was going to do.
48:38 He's going to please everyone, he's going to do both major and minor at once. There. My C major, there's my C minor. He does both. And you recognize a jazz chord immediately. And there a miracle begins. Below, you're allowed to vary on... you can play a major chord and a minor chord and link them together like that. There a musical miracle begins, in the double sense of the word marvel. When it's a harmonic audacity, doing major and minor at the same time, it's a harmonious dissonance.
49:10 I mean... Same thing. I play A-flat and A at the same time. Well. A miracle. Because it's exceptional, we'd never heard that before. Either you're in pentatonic, traditional African or Asian music, or you're in the C mode, the scale of C, with its two half-tones, but not both at once. That's sacrilege.
49:41 That's what the slave does. Right? So, first, it's a miracle in the sense of exception and in the sense of marvel, and I should point out that I've just given one of the characteristics of jazz — not just a characteristic, but one that it was the first to introduce into musical history, for reasons of accident, as we've just seen, of historical telescoping, tragic at the outset, for tragic causes. And I haven't even talked about the rhythmic element yet.
Harmony, synchrony and diachrony: Debussy, Bill Evans 50:13 That's why sometimes — I don't reproach it, but I do regret — jazz gets reduced to its rhythmic element. There's an extraordinary harmonic invention. Right? And one that also implies a melodic enrichment. Because... we're always hesitating between the minor seventh and the major seventh. That's part of it too. We're always hesitating fundamentally. Let's recall that harmony is everything to do with music from the synchronic point of view.
50:44 That is, the notes you can play at the same time. There. I do this. There are lots of notes at once. I did the chord at random. This is what's called a cluster. Now it means something else. Exactly. That's what it's called in music. In music it couldn't be for me. That's why I... For me it was a musical term, cluster. There, I made it dissonant, of course. There, I made it dissonant, never mind. There. So they're all simultaneous.
51:16 There. That's it. Harmony is the study of all the sounds you can produce simultaneously. And not only that — you can also chain them, arpeggio, arpeggio, that's the same thing too. There. You can also link chords together. And there you carry over a synchronic richness, the different notes that make up the chord, into diachrony, by making a succession. I'll give a quite extraordinary example. It's Debussy in his prelude Canope, named after the ancient Egyptian vases, who does a whole...
51:49 The very beginning of the prelude is a sequence of perfect chords. Prodigious. Well. There I make a sequence, so I'm in diachrony, in time, but of what? Of notes superimposed outside time, all in the same instant.
52:22 Let me recall, that's what harmony is. And a musician's harmonic knowledge is both synchronic and diachronic. It's how to produce tasty chords — there, that's in synchrony. Tasty, to extend my culinary metaphor. Because, this is a perfect major chord, but it's a bit flat, really. I mean, there's not much to it. Right? And if, if I do this, the same chord, but I add a B natural.
52:52 That's what jazz very often does, it's a major seventh. Right? Second, major seventh, major seventh of C, major seventh of F. Major seventh of B-flat. I find the harmonies of Waltz for Debby, by Bill Evans.
53:22 What did... I added a dissonance, a little spice, to keep my metaphor, a seasoning, my culinary metaphor. It's that... this is the perfect chord, it's not very interesting, and suddenly I do... In other words, I make you hear at the same time. This and this. And C. There's this in my chord. There's just a half-tone gap, yes. I realize there's even a dose of spice in my chord, when I hear this all the same. Yes, there. There, it's a question of dosage.
53:53 Either it overwhelms the mouth and ruins the meal for me, or the spice would be missed if it weren't there. It depends on the dosage. So it's not enough to multiply dissonances to sound modern. I don't remember who it was who mocked Darius Milhaud, who once said, 'Come on, F-sharp, no mercy,' while writing. As if that... as if by multiplying dissonances. These reminders let us better situate jazz.
Latin music, jeans and Coca-Cola: the music of the oppressed liberates 54:25 That specifies it. It's not limited to rhythmic invention. First. Second. In any case, it's not even its exclusive preserve. Besides, we talked about Spain and Russia. That is, as it happens, the African limit — we said it last time — of Europe is Spain. The Asian limit of Europe is Russia. Interesting. And that's where the most creative dance troupes, whether traditional like flamenco or at the opera, I mean, are the most developed and the most accomplished.
55:02 There. And I'm talking about European Spain. If I also talk about Spain in the Latin American diaspora, and if we start multiplying the salsas, the cha-cha-chas, the rumbas and everything called Latino music, there's a genre. A genre where syncopation dominates. A genre that has always had huge worldwide success. Why? My grandparents used to listen to the rumba. I'm not young. But my grandparents already had the rumba.
55:33 Then there was the béguine. The tango. The Argentine tango. The cha-cha-cha. Now it's capoeira, whatever you like, salsa. You notice it has never stopped. What? What has never stopped? Doubling the Anglo-Saxon dominant, rock, with the Latino variant. Dominant is polysemic. It's the dominant chord. On purpose. No, no, but if rock dominates the music of the world's youth, it's because it's...
56:06 Dominant, dominant, dominant. No, but let's please the readers, well, those who know... Jeanne is also a tonic. Oh, well no, but I'll take it out of my mouth. Come on, let me make a pun. Jean, J-E-A-N, Clouscard's jeans. Yes, that's it. Ah yes, back to our dear Clouscard. Yes, yes. What's the sartorial equivalent of rock? Jeans, what's most worn. It's true. Including me. Remember when... Ah yes, yes, Apostrophes. When he says to Clouscard, but you too, you wear jeans.
56:38 He thought Clouscard was moralizing. 'You too, you wear jeans.' Well, it's contradictory. Well yes, I... I obey the customs of my country, provisional morality. I don't know. Yes, I don't know. I know the girls' monopoly, me too, I flirt wearing jeans. That's what it means. Damn. Right? Since that's what's fashionable, I'm not going to deprive myself. Right? Which makes yet another paradox. I'm not far from my subject. I was talking about the slave and now I'm talking about jeans. That is, the uniform of the cowherd, the lowest in color — white — and of what is lower still on the social ladder, the cowboy.
57:11 Yes, even if it's the denim from Nîmes, which indeed comes from the city of Nîmes. But they'll never admit that, I think. Look for a Corsican, you'll find one. Who knows that Coca-Cola is a Corsican creation? So I tell myself, I... Find out, don't take my word for it. You live in the age of Google, look it up. Right? Well, I admit the bubbles didn't exist. It was the Americans who added that. The carbonation. That's what it is for me, actually.
57:42 The cola-based drink was made by Mattei. You're a bit young, but there used to be an aperitif. Maybe you know it? Mattei Cap Corse, which is a fortified wine like Martini or Saint-Raphaël, which had relative success and can still be found in good establishments. And they're the ones who created it with this citrus fruit which is a bit too bitter for... The citron? Thank you. It reminds me of Nerval. 'The Genoese and Florentine women with white shoulders.'
58:14 'The bitter lemons. The powdered hair of the emir, the oranges and the citrons.' Ah, yes. Magnificent. So, based on citron liqueur, it was a liqueur that Mattei made — and still makes, actually, you can still buy citron liqueur in Bastia, on Place Saint-Nicolas, in the magnificent Mattei products shop, a company that did very well. And that's the origin of Coke. It's a mix of citron with its bitterness and cola.
58:46 The Americans added the gas, a dose of coca, etc. There. Let me say in passing, jeans come from Nîmes, Coke comes from Corsica. There. Right. We should demand royalty rights. Clearly. Rich prospect, but let me let you get back to it because I feel bad, it's me who interrupted you. No, on the contrary, let's be serious, we're right in the midst of the impact of praxis exactly where we'd least expect it, that is, in the world of sound and in music.
59:17 Right? The music that did the most to free — sorry — the genre that did the most to free music from the impasse it found itself in at the end of the 19th century, into the mid-20th century, among the great composers — I don't want to go back over the crisis, dodecaphonic music, music increasingly distant from the public, too dissonant — and suddenly along comes a music that's going to make the whole world swing.
59:48 That the music which liberates — I do mean free, there's liberty in 'liberate' — should come from the most oppressed fraction of humanity, the one that was brought down into the ship's hold, literally, from the Gulf of Guinea. Benin and Togo are still called by geographers who know their stuff the Slave Coast, there were so many taken from there. Well. That it should be the musics stemming from these people that liberated learned music from the impasse it found itself in — isn't that one of the least tasteless paradoxes of the sonic history of the two centuries that have just collapsed.
1:00:33 That have just collapsed. I really like your... That's exactly it. Entirely involuntary. Well, Lacan would say, yes, that's exactly what you meant. Exactly. There. So that's the connection with jeans. We weren't off topic. No, no. How is it that the Western, truly the music of the most thankless, godforsaken places, when you watch Shane, it's a masterpiece among films like that. The great era of the classic Western in the 1950s, before the spaghetti ones got involved.
1:01:05 I'm being racist against myself, anti-Italian, anti-Corsican. Yes, as a descendant of Genoese or... spaghetti-ish. There. And when you watch Shane, it's mud all the way to the horizon, little balls of thorn bushes that the wind blows, the famous Dust Bowl of the Midwest, in periods of drought that dries everything out — that's what produced the films and series, more or less well made, that a little Indonesian kid watches in the street, in some neighborhood, paying a small fee to watch television.
1:01:47 Whether it's Little House on the Prairie or third-rate Westerns, how does that happen? There are reasons. When there are popular successes like that, there are reasons. Right? It's that everyone can identify with the cowherd. Nobody is excluded there. It's easier than identifying with Maureen O'Hara in the great Virginia mansion, Gone with the Wind. Scarlett O'Hara, no? Excuse me. Maureen is the actress.
1:02:17 She just died, that's why I got confused. Ah, right. I meant. Yes, very old. Yes, Scarlett O'Hara. I think that's the first sentence of the novel. 'Scarlett O'Hara had eyes as green as a summer afternoon on the Mississippi,' or something like that. I don't think I'm distorting it too much. Yes. We're right in it. What also made the success was the role of the slave. The huge part played by Scarlett O'Hara's slave in Gone with the Wind, in the film. Yes, indeed. It's the first time we see an enslaved woman playing a major, leading role in a film.
Bop, a learned music hard-won 1:02:51 There. So, let me come back now to auricular and auditory considerations. But, I insist, jazz — its specificity, which makes it a genre apart, and which some describe, and I like the formula, as the most popular of the learned musics, is the most learned of the popular musics. That sums up jazz pretty well, it doesn't define it, but it situates it quite well in the relationship between the learned and the popular. We can say that, thanks to African Americans, a learned music was wrested away from popular status.
1:03:30 That was hard-won. Let me expand a little here. Because the creators of what's now called, within jazz, the bebop movement, or modern jazz, which appears historically from around the mid-1940s onward, roughly speaking, to move quickly — and which stunned Europeans when they discovered it, because under the Occupation this 'savage music' was forbidden. So there's a time lag.
1:04:00 Boris Vian discovered it. So this movement, which is still considered one of the most creative, if not the most creative, movement of 20th-century music. I weigh my words. The bebop movement, illustrated by soloists as fabulous on trumpet as Dizzy Gillespie, on sax of course as Charlie Parker, on piano as Bud Powell or Thelonious Monk.
1:04:30 And to speak only of the very greatest — really one would have to name them all. It's Aristotle who says, with his cantankerous side, that you either name them all or none at all. There. I've made a small exception. Why am I talking about it? Because they hated this label 'bop' for these musicians. It actually comes from an onomatopoeia. When you sing scat, that is, when you replace notes with onomatopoeia, delirious syllables, bebop, I do it like this.
1:05:02 Bebop is the diminished fifth interval. It's... bebop. That's it. Bud Powell, when asked about it mockingly, used to say it's the sound of the cop's billy club on the Black man's head. He was well placed to know. He was well placed to talk about it, because the poor old guy, with the police, it's one of the most tragic fates in the history of jazz, poor Bud. But... he was set to become a great classical pianist, when you look at the program of his conservatory competition, where he plays Mozart's eighth sonata.
1:05:33 That's there. In A minor. And Beethoven's Pathétique. Yes, yes, yes. Well. Let's move on. Why did they hate that name? Because they would have wanted it called modern music. They wrested a learned genre through hard struggle. Right? But for example, bebop, we go on treating them as Saturday-night entertainers. There. Armstrong is one of the greatest musicians of the 20th century. I don't want to say a word against him, but well, he comes well before bebop.
1:06:05 He, who is by far the culmination of the so-called New Orleans style. We're in the genre, jazz, but the New Orleans style, which is the first great period of jazz. Broadly, jazz falls into three parts, as is often the case. New Orleans, middle jazz — you always put in the middle whatever you don't know quite where to place. The Middle Ages, between Antiquity and modern times. It's the same here. It's also called swing. New Orleans, but yes, but swing is contemporary with the middle period. Isn't it in middle jazz, in the 1930s roughly, that we see the great ensembles, the big bands that would make 500 people dance in a big dance hall, and that's what launched the swing era, which is very fashionable now among dancers, among young people of 20 who hold gatherings, competitions all over Europe, where the Swedes are among the most advanced, and I learned that from our comrade Samuel.
1:06:58 Zarka, who is an excellent — forgive me if I throw him to the wolves in public, but it's him and his friend Bérangère who are excellent swing dancers. Swing dancing is very fashionable now, that is, dancing that today uses music from the 1920s-30s, because it's much more complex to dance to bebop, precisely. There are extraordinary recordings where you can see it, but I maintain that popular music, learned music, hard-won — and it's entirely to the credit of the musicians I'm talking about, whom I now designate by the name they claim for themselves, against that of 'bop,' the musicians of modern jazz from the 1940s onward, from the postwar period onward — wrested, through hard struggle, a learned genre, a true chamber music, the equivalent of the corpus, the quartets, of Haydn or the sonatas
Blues, modal and tonal, work song and shepherd's song 1:08:10 of Beethoven, or of Russian instrumental music, starting from the vocabulary and syntax of jazz, is nonetheless prodigious. So let's look at all the mixtures, I come back to my metaphor of watercourses which makes this seem like something always already complex. There's already the collision of African rhythm, where I come from, me, Moussa, where I come from, which collides with something that has nothing to do with it, the Protestant chorale.
1:08:44 Right? First, which will give the blues chord, the blues scale. When I develop the chord on... It's the scale, but blues-ified. I like, in the French language, the ambivalence of the term "bluesé." "Nous a bluesé le mec" — that means he doubled us a bit. Well yes, at the same time, the major and the minor double me. Exactly, yes.
1:09:14 There, am I in the key or in the mode? So, there's that. In fact, it's modal laid over tonal. But of course. A collision, this collision is that. But there, there. Without forgetting that, between us, I don't want to dwell on it because we'll devote a whole chapter to it. But the distinction, so let's forget jazz for now, between the tonal and the modal in the history of European music, is of a complexity we can't even imagine. From a distance it's very simple.
1:09:46 You listen to Gregorian chant, you're in modal music. You listen to a Beethoven sonata, you're in tonal music. Yeah, as soon as you look closely, all that blurs, the boundaries. Right? First, because what we call tonal music is two particular cases of mode. It's the mode of C, of which only two variants have been retained, the major mode and the minor mode. Mode here means scale. And mode regains its ordinary sense in the language, which is manner of being. When Plato, in the Republic, dwells on the musical modes, the Lydian mode, the Dorian mode, the Phrygian mode, saying the Lydian mode will have to be avoided in our ideal Republic because it's soft.
1:10:27 And warriors mustn't be soft. We see clearly that this isn't musical here. Mode is the manner of being, the destination of that music. When you march into battle against the Persians, you'd better not go with the Lydian mode, well, the Phrygian mode. Right? Yes, it's the Italian "modo." It's the way. Of course, manner of being, in French. The manner, yes. So, we're seeing fundamental things here.
1:10:59 and as soon as you look closely, the difference blurs. There, I mention it in passing. We'll devote a session to it. The tonal is a particular case of mode. But a particular case that flourished in Western Europe — we'll have to ask ourselves one day why. Yes. Why it stabilized on that scale among all the scales, all the modes that existed and that were dropped in favor of these two, the major and minor scale. I come back to jazz.
1:11:30 So, there's the habit of syncopation from its musics of origin. There's the harmonic creation constantly pushed by this collision, deep within, of the musics it feels, which come from its original pentatonic scale and from the diatonic scale of the C major scale in the music it's forced to sing. And since we're talking about constraints, and that's what defines genres, constraints — war, peace, I don't know.
1:12:05 I mentioned a Te Deum earlier in case of victory, or a requiem after the war of 1914, that extraordinary Fauré requiem created at the Madeleine with a solemnity for the dead of 1914, I mean. There's a slightly Chinese side to it, we were talking about pentatonic. Of course, a wonderful requiem that has nothing at all of the pomp and terrifying side of the mass for the dead, and which is an almost paradisiacal sweetness at times, a gentle death. You just have to think of the In Paradisum. Our slaves have several constraints.
1:12:43 There's the work song, I come back to it, which imposes — it's not a subjective taste — which imposes periodicity, metric constraint. Right? There's the... Well, I'll open an African parenthesis, but you have to have seen, at harvest time in the Sahel countries, a griot streaming with sweat in the field 10 cm from the peasant who is harvesting at top speed because if you wait a few days, the sun is so scorching the earth will be too dry for...
1:13:18 Too hard like cement to work it. So the civil servants leave their offices in the capital to come lend a hand to the family at harvest time. It's a national event. Survival. Well, the griot is there. The griot is there. He's next to him with what ethnomusicologists call the armpit drum, the kalangou, in Hausa terms, to speak one of the most widespread languages in the region, the kalangou, the armpit drum, the one I put under my elbow and which has strings that stretch the skins, so that by squeezing with my elbow, I can modulate the pitch.
1:13:53 So it's not just an instrument of rhythmic interest, although it is a percussion instrument that goes bo-bo-bo-bo-bo. It also has a melodic difference in the pitch of its sounds. But he's there streaming with sweat to encourage, through his rhythm, the other man who is tearing up the food crop. It's really overwhelming to see that. You find it again on the cotton plantations, of course, except there the harvest isn't for food, it's for the master.
1:14:24 Well, I recommend a document you can find on YouTube. It's what we'd call today a clip, the term didn't exist at the time, but a very short film by the immense — in every sense, physically, through his fabulous voice, and through his immense political stature. I'm thinking of course of Paul Robeson, the great bass, the first African American who was a media star, well before anyone else, well before...
1:14:57 Comrade Paul Robeson, no? Comrade... What? But what comrade? Well, he wouldn't be into today's identity politics stuff. He used to say, "Our struggle is the same as that of white workers in Europe. We have the same enemies." He didn't set whites against blacks, even though he knew full well that blacks were by far the most exploited, exactly like women — whatever one says, and whatever one may think of the ruling class's use of a certain bourgeois feminism — all else being equal, it's always the woman who takes the brunt, if you'll forgive the expression, who bears the most in every society, in every place and at every time.
1:15:37 There, I've traveled enough to say so. But Robeson rails against this identitarian reduction, and it's very telling that if a Black man is looked at badly and suspected in a Midwest town, and there's a rape, they lynch about twenty of them just to be safe, it's because he's associated with poverty and misery. Let's be clear. We were talking about cowboys earlier, that is, herders, the world of livestock raising.
1:16:10 Now in Corsica, people commonly say — used to say, and now I'm going to get scolded by Corsicans, I'll point out this was said not so long ago — "I saw two men and a shepherd." A shepherd is barely a man. For finding a woman to marry, it's complicated — a shepherd is too discredited socially. Come on, we're talking music, let me dwell on the world of the shepherd. Chateaubriand, in one of the most beautiful passages of Mémoires d'outre-tombe — what's the book called?
1:16:43 Combourg. He's near Combourg, it's autumn, it's the famous passage with the thrush, but suddenly he hears a shepherd singing in the distance and he says his song reminded him that all over the earth, the song of man is sad. Well, that's the great Chateaubriand, but he generalizes a bit, he exaggerates a bit. It's not popular song in general — there's popular song aplenty, and it's not sad at all. The shepherd's song, because the shepherd is the one who's far away, far from the village, far from his beloved, far from society.
1:17:20 He's a zoon politikon who keeps the flocks far away. And to people the solitude, it's not with a tom-tom, it's with a wind instrument. It's extraordinary to see that in the steppes of the Sahel, as in Brittany, in Ireland, it's always a pipe, a flute, an oboe, some kind of shawm, that is the shepherd's instrument, and of course immortalized, you guess, in great music, as they abusively say, in Tristan, by the extraordinary, extraordinary solo of the cor anglais — which has nothing of a horn — which is a bass oboe, which is to the oboe what the viola is to the violin, an oboe a bit lower, meant to recall all the bagpipes and biniou of Brittany, Ireland and Scotland, I don't know, and Wales too, meant to people what?
1:18:14 The immensity of the sea on which no sail appears on the horizon, of the sky — there, of solitude. I mention this admirable solo which, it's said, initiates atonal music, a bit before the 20th century. So all this collides in jazz music... In addition to the famous Tristan chord — you were talking about that earlier, yes. So, I've talked about the mixtures, I haven't yet accounted for the richness of jazz, for the impurities that come to add to those I've just listed.
Musical comedy standards and ragtime derived from the polka 1:18:47 There's also, perhaps above all, the tradition of what the public asked for. The public is white! "Hey you, negro, you're going to come here until 2 in the morning, you're going to put on a tie, and be on time for once, alright? And you'll shoot up afterward, but not before the concert, so you're in shape, and you're going to make 500 people dance." At whose place? At Al Capone's, one of the regulars? But of course! If we're talking about destination — yes, it's a Corsican talking to you.
1:19:20 The Corsican was in Pigalle — sorry, but it needs saying too. In Marseille, a lot in Marseille. Marseille first, of course, that's when you have no money, you emigrated to Marseille. Later, when there's a bit more, you go to Saigon, then to Paris, to Pigalle. And in Saigon, it was a Corsican who owned the Continental, the biggest restaurant, the trafficking. Well, cigarettes and all that, I'm not attacking it, it's poverty that drives that. So I'm reminding you that Al Capone owned — what's it called — the famous club, the most famous in the history of jazz, from the swing era precisely.
1:20:00 It'll come back to me, it's so well known, but I have it on the tip of my tongue. And there, what does the audience expect? To hear the tunes it's used to, like everyone in music. In music, we like to hear what we expect. "Entend, attend" [hear, expect] — it matters. Now, what were the tunes the white audience had in their heads? Those coming from that inexhaustible fountain, Tin Pan Alley, as they say on the sidewalks of Broadway, the American musical comedy.
1:20:34 That is, the miraculous fountain of all those marvelous musicians driven out by poverty or antisemitism depending on the era. That's why there are so many Jews among them. I'm thinking of course of Gershwin, Cole Porter, Rodgers, etc. All those people who came to create these musical comedies that produced all the so-called standards. Right? I mention it because it's Christmas soon, "Over the Rainbow," which they replay every evening — the movie with Judy Garland at 14 singing it, etc.
1:21:14 So these tunes are familiar to the audience. So they're going to form the jazz repertoire, the famous standards, the "tunes," if we want to speak their language. "Do you know these tunes?" There. What we call standards. It comes from musical comedy, it's not even from the African world. And it's also inseparably linked to the feeling — I'm using proper jazz signifiers on purpose — the feeling of jazz that the rhythmic obsession, or the syncopated music, which is also indispensable.
1:21:51 It's the collision of all that which is going to produce the richness of jazz. And, since I'm on these melodies, where do they come from? I've said it, from European musicians. That is, very often, they're waltzes — you just have to look at the movies, the golden age of the musical comedy, those famous performances by Fred Astaire with Ginger Rogers and others, I mean, then afterward, Fred Astaire, what's it called?
1:22:28 "Singing in the Rain," well anyway, who succeeds him, who's a bit younger, but I mean, who's going to popularize it. Fred Astaire who also sang. When I had my Africans in my music center in Niger, we had a video projector and I would show them clips from musical comedies with those hallucinating dance scenes, in terms of technical mastery, by Fred Astaire. They couldn't believe seeing a white man like that — they nearly danced on the wall themselves.
1:22:59 Right? That was undoubtedly the peak of solo choreographic creativity — I'm not talking about corps de ballet. That era, on one side Fred Astaire, and on the other a prodigious trio of African Americans, but I'll say it for those with YouTube handy, the Nicholas Brothers. You have to see it. I said, dancing on the wall — they practically do it, it's hallucinating.
1:23:30 And all that with an ease, without giving the impression of doing a tour de force — the grand art. This repertoire comes from European musicians who themselves come from their own Viennese, Parisian, Berlin musical comedy, whatever, there's the great tradition of the Berlin cabaret, to which we owe peaks such as Schoenberg's Pierrot Lunaire, no less, which was premiered in a cabaret. Well. But there are also popular dances.
1:24:01 And here, I say this because it's not very well known. Something as well-known as ragtime — few know it's a variant of the polka, that is, of the polonaise, the dance, doubtless the most popular dance in Northern and Northeastern Europe, Belgium, Holland of course, Eastern Europe, etc. 1, 2, 1, 2, 3 — that's the polka. That gave me ragtime. In other words, the pianist you see in saloons, in westerns, playing the same ragtime over and over, doing with the left hand what's called the "oom-pah," the whole Scott Joplin repertoire.
1:24:41 Exactly. It has the polka as its origin. We see here the impurity, to what degree it's planetary — all the ingredients that go into the jazz pot. And for example, Chopin's polonaises are not polkas in the musicological sense. No, but you're right to bring it up. They have the three-beat time like the polka. Which shows that when it comes to dance, even meters aren't very inspiring. Yes, sure. Well, a little confidence. I was talking about military marches earlier, the opposite of dance music.
Even and odd, from Corneille to Racine; the blues canvas 1:25:13 Why is it even? Because it's war, you need symmetry. Even is the world of symmetry. Every mathematician knows that. It's divided into two equal parts. Right? And that's why someone like Corneille, who's a bit more military — well, all that's quite a stretch — than Racine, Corneille will always place his caesura at the hemistich, in good symmetry. Right? "Je suis jeune, il est vrai" — 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12.
1:25:49 "Mes pareils, à deux fois, ne se font pas connaître, et pour leur coup d'essai, veulent des coups de maître" — 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, hop, hop. No, no, but I'm not criticizing, it's fabulous. Not everything is perhaps as accomplished as in Racine, but when it succeeds, it reaches a height that takes your breath away, one which even Racinians rarely attain. So I say this to be fair. Whereas in Racine you'll see multiplied — vicious as he is, perverse, I'm talking about these characters, sadistic and masochistic — when I think that Nero, in the same line, in two lines, manages to go from sadism to masochism, when he tells Narcissus, the first time he saw Junie: "I used sighs and even threats" — there he's sadistic — "sometimes, but too late, I begged for mercy" — masochistic.
1:26:38 No, but that's wrong. Well. I note that Racine, for his part, uses ternary meters all the time. Look at it — the infinite melody, the melopoeia of Andromaque — while the other one, he's all pushy, Pyrrhus there: "Captive, toujours triste, importune à moi-même, croyez-vous qu'Andromaque vous aime" — it's one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three, and it whirls, it whirls like a waltz, it's fabulous, right, well, so this even-odd business is important.
1:27:08 Of course. To answer your question, yes, Chopin's polonaise. And the famous line from Hernani, the one that caused the scandal — there, that's syncopation, in fact. Which one? "It's a staircase — hop — hidden" and then it's a bit... producing something in the theater. The enjambment — he'd said "hidden staircase" and the other line didn't hide it, there. Of course, no but you're right to bring this up, because enjambment is the equivalent, in a poem, of syncopation.
1:27:47 Right? Well. So we're starting to gauge what makes up the richness of a genre. Since it's already been imposed at a planetary level, there had to be a reason. Right? And so, I'll remind you that it's above all a rhythmic, harmonic repertoire, because if I do — you can see right away that it's jazz — while I'm just playing chords, I'm not even trying to do the oom-pah or the...
1:28:22 I did a slow ballad, something slow — it's not a rhythmic orgy. It's the harmonies that make that jazz. I'm being bluesy on purpose, you see? These are chords that already exist in classical music, each taken separately.
1:29:00 In Bach, you find every interval. We saw that last time, there was... That's already in Bach. Because I had asked, what's the difference with Debussy? Ah well, precisely, there. Are there jazz variations on Debussy? Why does Debussy inspire jazz musicians so much? That's a very good question. Why do jazz musicians admire Debussy so much? Yes, that's it. We're zeroing in more and more... Why does he inspire jazz musicians so much? We're increasingly targeting the jazz genre in its specifics.
1:29:35 So, all the chords already existed in classical music, catalogued, before jazz even appeared historically. But not all the chord progressions that I just did. Right? That. That's already in Wagner, I don't know, or a ninth chord. But necessarily... That's in Tristan, you see that? Well. But the progression, that is, if after that...
1:30:05 I do... There, I'm in jazz. And even in the blues scale. Because I went from the tonic — D-flat, in this case — to the subdominant, G-flat. And the succession of the two sevenths is typical of what's called the blues canvas. The canvas is a structure, I mean, when you've made that progression, you're in the blues. People think blues is something slow and melancholy.
1:30:36 No, a blues can be very fast. It's a succession of a well-defined number of bars, 32, well, multiples of 8. And on that progression — tonic, subdominant, dominant, tonic, roughly — that's the cycle, the blues cycle. And since we're talking about jazz, let's take advantage of it. And now, having dwelt on jazz as a genre — we're starting to see it emerge now as a genre. On the other hand, I haven't talked much about forms. How jazz organizes itself, because that's what form is, as opposed to genre.
Imitative form: from the canon to The Art of Fugue 1:31:09 It's the internal organization. I mentioned Beschaffenheit earlier, quite hard to translate. That's why I like that word. Form is what orders the musical discourse from within. Once again, to show how tricky this can be if you're not careful, I can be within the sonata genre. If I play a Mozart piano sonata, I'm working within the sonata genre. But within that sonata genre, Mozart may have inserted passages that use contrapuntal form.
1:31:44 of counterpoint. That is to say, well, we're no longer in the genre at all. We're in a way of organizing the musical discourse. That is to say, and this is what defines all counterpoint, whether it's fugue, whether it's canon, so-called imitative writing. Each voice imitates the other. Anyone who has sung Frère Jacques understands what I mean. It's the best way to introduce people to counterpoint. It's to remind them that the simplest form of fugue is the canon.
1:32:14 And the canon at the octave, Frère Jacques. That is to say, you start on the same interval, and even at the same pitch, so it's not too difficult. So these are melodic lines that cross each other. So that's the form. How did we move, for example, from the imitative form that governs almost all Baroque music and especially Bach's music, which reaches its culmination? Right? How? I'll give a very simple example.
1:32:44 Well, very simple. The development is complex, but it's the Art of Fugue, of course, but the very beginning. It's a single voice. Second voice. Third.
1:33:16 There, you can clearly see that each voice imitates the previous one. And by making variants, variants, afterward it becomes extraordinarily complex. That's learned music. The kind that, according to Rimbaud, our desire lacks. We'll have to come back to that enigmatic phrase. Another possible subject, that one. Yes, yes, it deserves it. I've talked about it quite a bit in my workshops, especially since it appears in an Illumination that speaks of something entirely different from music, and speaks instead of the modern world, factories, hydraulic power stations.
1:33:49 That's interesting. Anyway, back to my story about form. How does jazz organize itself from within? What forms does jazz favor? Oh darn, I have to interrupt for a moment, I have a charging problem. So I need to grab the cable. I thought it was well charged, good grief. It's still recording.
1:34:23 Yes, I'm still recording because otherwise I'm not sure it will work. I hope you can hear me. Yes, no problem. In any case, I can hear you very well. At worst, if the video doesn't work, we'll continue with just the sound. No, no, it's fine, I'm just... There. My cable, but I hope that... For those listening, imagine that on other channels there are ads. We don't have ads. Yes, absolutely.
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Sonata form, the expression of the new sensibility's conflict 1:35:23 There. OK. So, yes, I was saying how it organizes its discourse from within. There. Among these, we need to refer to the forms already present in classical music, the ones jazz will favor for its own organization. There's the form we've already seen, the imitative form. I'll take roughly the chronological order in 17th, 18th century music. Counterpoint, which comes from note against note, point, against point. "Against" here in the sense of "beside," of course. It's not an opposition.
1:35:54 There, it's an opposition. There, yes, right up against, as you say. And then, rupture, at the moment when the modern world appears. We've already seen that it's Haydn. People always say it's Beethoven. It is Beethoven, of course, who systematizes it, but it's Haydn who is first, in whom we hear the symptoms of the new sensibility, as people said in the 18th century. Sturm und Drang. Yes, exactly. The pre-Romantic movement that will give rise to modern sensibility.
1:36:25 And the form, the organization of musical discourse that corresponds to it, is no longer counterpoint, which could build itself up into a kind of permanent timelessness. Now that all this has been overturned by history accelerating, and soon, of course, with a Europe ploughed through by Napoleon's armies from Spain to Russia, and the dread that post-Napoleonic Europe, immediately post-Napoleonic, felt at the return of French ideas, and so the conflict now, the new conflict that is no longer between feudalism and the peasantry, but between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat.
1:37:02 All that, and the prodigious speed at which the middle classes were surging forward, all of that of course demanded new forms of expression. And in music, that's the sonata form. Compared to what I just did with the Art of Fugue — there's a single theme, there are counter-subjects, but there's a single theme that carries the whole piece through to the end, with an infinitely complex interweaving.
1:37:37 There's a single theme. And above all, the piece is homogeneous in terms of feeling, of "feeling" as they'd say in jazz, from beginning to end. Whereas between them, there's a kind of threatening challenge. "What are you doing there?" it might say. Right. And suddenly... That's not the... Oh yes. That's not the clothespin. You know it well. It's the four bearded men or the... Is that it? I'm not sure, but yes, that's it. It's the four bearded men.
1:38:07 Yes, yes, yes. We can go on YouTube. There. Not a bad idea. No, no, but... Listen to "the clothespin." Yes, exactly. And it's the mule singing. "I have a beard, here, a beard, we had, you had a beard." On Rossini, the overture to... Yes, yes. Il Barbiere di Siviglia. What's interesting here is to see that, as it happens, this new sensibility favors a musical form that expresses conflict. The contrast between...
1:38:38 And... a tenderness, suddenly, an interiority. The complete opposite of that threatening side. And it's the dialectical tension, if ever there was one, produced by these two opposing poles: a first theme often described as virile, in the imagery of man, the warrior, and a second theme, more tender, more feminine, more inward — it's this dialectic, this polarity which, like the two poles of a magnet, will introduce a specific dynamic that didn't exist before sonata form, and which will require a development to resolve this contradiction.
1:39:13 And there, we recognize, of course, two centuries of music. We think immediately of Beethoven, of course. Furtwängler said that in Beethoven the themes are like characters in a drama. You know what that means, right? Yes. Well, there's an example. Even more so. I'll take the ta-ta-ta-taaan. Because that's the lesson of the leitmotif. Of course. Exactly. I'm taking the ta-ta-ta-taaan example because it's very well known, and also to show...
1:39:46 And that's where we see how different the sonata organization is. There's no need to make a beautiful melody or theme. It's four notes, it's nothing. It's ta-ta-ta-ta. And that's what will organize a whole chaos to turn it into a sonic universe throughout the movement. It's quite extraordinary, the way it makes it pass through — always the same rhythmic motif, but passing through every key, being interrogative, affirmative, brutal, there, pleading, threatening, peremptory, there.
1:40:18 So all these ways of being, all these modes of being, as we said earlier, for the same rhythmic motif. So this sonata organization corresponds well to the new sensibility. And we saw, for example — I'm making it complicated on purpose to show the richness — that our listeners shouldn't think "this is a sonata, this is a fugue." It can all get mixed together.
Schubert and the lied form protected within the sonata 1:40:49 We just saw with jazz that it's mixtures and cross-fertilizations that make the richness of cultures, after all. So we had seen, when we talked at length about Schubert, that Schubert, obsessed like his whole generation with the colossal, crushing statue of Beethoven — almost inhibiting for him, as it was for Schumann, who took a long time to write for orchestra, for example — we saw that Schubert manages to hold his own by imposing his own form.
1:41:21 I'm sticking with forms here, continuing to spell out the concept of musical form. Another form, which is neither fugue nor sonata, but the lied form, the song form, ideally with verses. That's what characterizes its formal organization, right? There's a first verse, a second, and a refrain. That's what a song is, all of it. In the admirable song of Adrienne in Gérard de Nerval's Sylvie, he says clearly, "Each stanza" — each verse, "each stanza"
1:41:52 "ended with those quavering trills that young voices bring out so well when they imitate, with a modulated shiver, the trembling voice of the old." Rarely has the detail of musical expression been rendered so well in words. So the lied genre — Schubert can make it resonate within a protected sonata structure, like a Zwischenspiel, as they say in German, like an entr'acte, like an intermezzo, as they'd say in Italian.
1:42:24 Protected from the beginning and the end, in the middle, so that the song can blossom without threat and without conflict. And so this sonata — the second-to-last one — that one, that's a sonata that has nothing to do with a lied. No, here he's trying to do Beethoven. It's affirmative, it's conflictual, it asserts itself from the first chord, it's virile — I don't quite know what that means — and of course the whole development of the sonata will consist in managing the energies produced by this violence, so to speak.
1:43:17 But the finale, once everything is resolved, the finale is a lied that will not stop, from beginning to end, pouring itself out like a flowing spring — there's no more conflict. Sorry. Sorry, I don't have room with the tablet. There. So it sings, it flows, it's over, there's no more conflict, it's been resolved. I had illustrated this with that line from Nerval — I often draw isomorphisms between Nerval and Schubert — "give the purple flowers to the current of the streams."
Theme and variation, the form of late Beethoven and of jazz 1:43:52 Let it fall. Whereas Beethoven is a fighter who never lets anything fall. There. So now we've seen better what forms are. Forms are the way musical discourse organizes itself from within. Now, back to jazz. What is its favored form? One we haven't yet named among all this. Neither sonata, nor lied, nor imitative writing, though it can shelter all of that, once again.
1:44:22 There are fugues in jazz, we'll come back to that. It's the theme-and-variation form. That is, the form that fascinates the late Beethoven. We could say that the avant-garde music of modernity is the music that tries to escape sonata form. We saw that Schubert — allow me to say this, forgive the vanity — I'm one of the few people who goes so far as to say that Schubert is one of the most modern musicians there is, precisely through this subversion of sonata form by the lied.
1:45:01 It's neither the lied — that's the popular tradition — but it's the lied recalling to itself its archaic origin, which is the popular song. There. Learned music that suddenly returns to the primitive simplicity of song. It's Mallarmé, admirably, somewhere: "Thus springs forth the song" — S-O-N-G — "of a lightened joy." We have a variation on a subject.
1:45:32 There's this way of getting out of, or subverting, sonata form. And then there's another way out of it, which is the dissolution of tonality, which prevents playing on the modulations between keys that create the dynamic of sonata form. That will be, of course, first the atonal music, then the dodecaphonic or serial music of Schoenberg. But there's theme and variation. Now, in the late Beethoven — and I come decidedly back to Sébastien Deville, who has inspired us well today — Beethoven's pianistic testament, his ultimate masterpiece, is that famous Arietta that closes the final sonata.
1:46:14 Right? Ah well... What could be more trifling than the theme itself? Then, when you see the sonic universes through which he makes this theme pass in the variations, you see what variation really is. But there's no more rupture within the theme. It's always the theme being stated, one that must be recognized through its multiple avatars. Which means our orientalist friend Bülow, from earlier, wasn't entirely wrong.
1:46:46 to think of Brahma, who casts off, one by one, all his masks. That's not bad. Yes. Still quite something. So, the variation form. It was already in Nerval, "give the purple flowers to the current of the streams," because Benares, leaning over its river, I don't know what else, but we fall back into that mythic soul. You mean it's variations around the same obsessions, we agree? Yes, yes. Especially since he's not far wrong, since he notes them himself — those are Nerval's delirious visions.
1:47:17 There, is it "or"? Ben Ares, from that point of view, son of Mars. Son of Mars. Right. "Ben," son, in Arabic. Yes, of course. Soliman Ben Daoud, Solomon, son of David. Ben Ares, the Greek god of war. Ben Ares, son of Mars. You can vary it infinitely like that. And on the other hand, when he says "the snow of Cathay falls on the Atlantic," well, I think that's exactly what's happening now with the rise of China.
1:47:50 I saw that. And he adds, "and with white butterflies" — that was prophetic — "and with white butterflies the sea is flooded." It's flooded, there. But yes, it's not the snow of Tibet falling here. We're going to get banned for reconstituting sects if we keep this up. Yes, careful, because in these times we're living through, these liberty-killing times threatening us. Let's enjoy these last moments of freedom. So there, for its organization, jazz is going to use variation.
1:48:23 In other words, I'll take — I've finished with the period of a song, a chanson, a lied that here is called Les feuilles mortes, and which will become Autumn Leaves as a jazz standard from the moment of Le Grand Amour by Juliette Gréco, who was one of those who helped create the song, along with Mouloudji, who must never be forgotten.
1:48:57 He's the one who launched it. Autumn Leaves... Sorry? Autumn Leaves matter. Yes, but of course, there's always a connection between autumn leaves and Apollinaire, who says "my eternal autumn, oh my mental season, the hands of past lovers strew your ground." You see, the dead leaves resembling the hands of lovers that have fallen, strewing your ground.
1:49:28 Well. "A wife follows me, it is my fatal shadow, the doves this evening take their last flight." This theme won't be the subject of a sonata-style progression — conflict, moving to major, minor, it seems as though everything is dead and suddenly it's resurrected in the finale. No, that's for epics, that's dramatic form. That's the dramatic form. Here we're in pure lyricism.
1:49:58 And so we can only organize the discourse by varying this theme, but keeping it throughout, and that gives — I made a variation. You could make infinitely many. So it's interesting to see how jazz uses one of the great forms, one of the great musical forms laid down in written music, whereas jazz is an improvised music.
1:50:35 Even if the themes are written and the improvisation isn't, of course, by definition. And yet, as I used to tell my students in Niger, if I may quote myself — careful, improvisation doesn't just improvise itself. It's something that has to be worked on, because if I just do anything, you'd say, "but it's fine, kids, it's just guided." There's that kind of non-directive pedagogy: put them in front of a piano and they'll do this and it's wonderful. Yes, it's the piano that will dictate its own law to them, it's not the child expressing himself.
1:51:06 He'll quickly get bored of it. There. And from the moment I master the piano, I know how to get the sound that I have inside myself and that I want the piano to express — that's why you have to work at it. When people said to Mozart, "how gifted you are," he said, "oh really, I've worked eight hours a day since the age of three." And as for Bach — I continue my parenthesis on gift and work — as for Bach, we don't have many quotes from that era, and musicians didn't talk much, they didn't speak much in voice-overs, they weren't made for that. The one quote we do have is more staggering than any other musician's quote.
1:51:40 It's: "I worked a great deal and applied myself well." Comma. "Anyone who applies himself as I did will achieve as much." Well, the beginning alone is astounding, but the second part is even more so. Yes, yes, already, yes. No romantic theory of genius — the man is astonishing. "Anyone who applies himself as I did will achieve as much." Yes, Bach, hard work. There, I think concerning jazz, the theme-and-variation genre shows very well — and that doesn't stop it from combining very well with fugues.
1:52:16 I'll note, for those interested, who know it, who are more familiar with the classical repertoire than with jazz, that there are admirable fugues, particularly in that group the Modern Jazz Quartet, which appeared in the 1950s, founded by a marvelous pianist, arranger, composer, John Lewis, a great man, a sort of African American, an odd fit in the United States — a curious destiny — who would probably have dreamed of being Rameau, of being a court musician at Versailles in the 18th century.
1:52:49 Which, for a descendant of slaves, is quite an extraordinary destiny. Right? I say this because he wrote "Fontessa," he wrote "Versailles," he wrote "Fontessa," and he wrote many fugues. I'll give you some. I heard him play some pieces. "Vendôme" — the names are telling — old France, Vendôme, Concorde, these are pieces. You can find them either played by the Modern Jazz Quartet, that is piano — there's the quartet — bass, drums, and vibraphone, the extraordinary vibraphone of Milt Jackson, known as Bags — and you can also find them vocally, in a group that absolutely must be listened to, the Swingle Singers, who, with scat onomatopoeia, took up almost the entire Bach repertoire.
1:53:45 with voices. With voices, there. And they performed, they reproduced these fugues by John Lewis I'm talking about. So, there, that's to show that it's less simple than one might think — I can stay within the variation form and still incorporate a fugal passage.
The Wagnerian leitmotif, synthesis of the lyrical and the dramatic 1:54:17 On the other hand, what seems incompatible is sonata form with the forms at work in jazz. Because there, and it's interesting, it makes us reflect on a properly European-Western destiny, which is this form of drama. In the Greek sense, of action. With twists and turns, as we say, tell me, we call it a drama in cinema.
1:54:51 Which can pass through moments of ecstasy, terrifying moments, tender, intimate moments — in short, it's all contrasts. And it's the succession of these different states that makes the thing interesting. We'd need to study at what point it loses dramatic quality. So, I think it's interesting to see that Wagner, who stands at the crossroads of everything — that's why I began, when I spoke of the brawl in the second act of the Mastersingers — that we should really begin the whole history of music the day it produces one worthy of the name, because it sums up centuries of earlier music, which Nietzsche saw very well when he talks about it — right, that is, there's an immense exercise in style; the Mastersingers, or Wagner, shows that he knows every formula from Gregorian chant, even the night watchman's song there, which is a kind of monody, all the way to the great fugue, of course, since he has the very perverse audacity to illustrate a brawl — like a generalized saloon brawl on the town square, well the city square rather, since we're in Nuremberg — to illustrate it with the most ordered form there is,
1:56:01 the least chaotic there is, which is the fugue — but still, he has to do it, well — but he also announces the future through his progressive dissolution of tonality through his chromaticisms, right? When I do — I don't know — it's the Tristan chord, delayed resolutions, we no longer know where we stand. There, on the other hand, he announces the future, and of course — what I'm saying is very banal — we know well that Schoenberg and company are going to start from there to eventually abandon tonal order.
1:56:38 We definitively emancipate ourselves from tonal constraint and the dramatization that resulted from it. I'll come back to that. Now, Wagner found a unique synthesis — you were talking about the leitmotif earlier. The leitmotif combines the requirements of variation-form, you can take it in every direction. You can do the Valhalla theme. Pompous, majestic — it is, after all, the temple of the gods.
1:57:10 You can do the temple of the gods. He does it like that, he varies it endlessly. He can even show Valhalla in ruins when it's threatened by the twilight of the gods, precisely. Right? When its ruin is announced, we barely recognize it, it's hardly recognizable anymore. Same for the bird — each time you can vary it endlessly. So leitmotifs never reappear exactly as they were, in their canonical, original form, but always inflected, altered in every direction.
1:57:47 That includes the musical sense, of course, that is, sharp or flat. And so, thanks to their permanence, we stay within the lyrical, and with their alteration, we move into the dramatic. It's quite a unique synthesis he manages to achieve. I say this because there's a whole file to be made on the use of the leitmotif in Wagner. Right? The worst misreading — and it's made by those who criticize it, who say the leitmotif is a weak point in his system — is the misreading of believing it's imitative.
1:58:22 Imitative of what? There's supposedly an extra-musical constraint coming from the story, and so they make a musical theme meant to make us think of a bird. Not at all. The way of thinking is highly stylized. If I had to paraphrase Mallarmé, who knew Wagner well by the way, he isn't describing a flower, but expressing the idea of the flower which, as we know well since Mallarmé, is absent from every bouquet. That's what he's doing.
1:58:52 I say this because if we say that the bird, that's it. Sorry? That's the bird. It varies on those things. Now, if we look closely, it's a variation on the theme of the Rhinemaidens. Because the Rhinemaidens, that's... So there's just a rhythmic shift that allows for a transformation, in the mathematical sense of the term, of the Rhinemaidens' song into the bird.
1:59:34 I make it a dotted eighth note. There's a rhythmic difference, but otherwise, it's the Rhinemaidens' song. Good heavens! But Freud says that young girls are birds in the symbolic order. Sorry? That's why you have the mystery of the myth, in relation to that. The birds of the young girls. When President Schreber is mocked by the birds in his garden — and it's pitiful for a Herr Doktor to come to such a state of degradation — it's birds that mock him, that taunt him.
2:00:05 Birds whistle. Like magpies, they chatter. He says, it's the young girls, that has to do with the well. Interesting. I'm showing that in Wagner, the leitmotif is something quite other than a simple description of an external empirical object. It expresses an idea. And the ideas communicate, moreover. But there you go! They transform into one another. One idea is obtained from another by successive transformation. It's an extraordinary procedure.
2:00:38 Let me take another example, even shorter. Servitude — there's nothing shorter as a leitmotif. A kind of... like an animal moan. Throughout the whole Ring, it expresses servitude. We hear it when Alberich is bound by the gods. We hear it, of course, in Nibelheim where all those Nibelungen are working to forge surplus value for the world above. Right? So it can be, of course...
2:01:10 Well. And always like someone moaning. Now, in Parsifal, the theme of the wound — that's much later. It's his testament. It's his last work, Parsifal. The theme of the wound is the same theme we just heard. That is, a minor second. Right? But reversed. Ascending. The wound. The wound that... It's the wound that elevates. Yes, of course. So wound and servitude are transformations of one another.
2:01:40 There. I think we can end on this revelation of the complexity of a combinatorial analysis to which — and I'll end on this, my closing note — our art form lends itself among all others. The only thing about music is being able to play on two continuums that make the complicity between music and mathematics, even Pythagoras, always exist: the continuum of pitches, from the extreme low to the extreme high, and the continuum of durations.
2:02:12 And you can put that on a score. Listen, that was anything but a fall — quite the opposite, it was an ascent. Thank you, Dominique. I'm cutting the recording. Does that work? Thank you.