What Dominique Pagani says Dominique Pagani respects Lévi-Strauss's broad musical culture and his work on kinship1 . He often returns to the overture of The Raw and the Cooked. There Lévi-Strauss makes Wagner the "undeniable father of the structural analysis of myths," replaces linguistics with music as the model and writes that music and myth "enter time only to leave it"2 . From the raw-cooked pair, he retains the intermediate term, the fermented or the rotten, placed between the natural and the conventional3 . From the study of kinship, he retains the incest prohibition, universal without being natural. Yet he counts Lévi-Strauss among the neo-Kantians: Lévi-Strauss accepts the formula "Kantianism without a transcendental subject," which does away with history4 . He criticizes him for thinking only about "societies without history," which opens the way to culturalist relativism and to the liquidation of Marxism5 . He also criticizes him for ignoring praxis, for his late Malthusianism and, in Tristes Tropiques, for the fantasy of the white man alone among the natives.
1 #2.7 Entre crise et guerre : Philosopher ? 1 Aug 2017 · 1:08:24 2 Debussy 27 Mar 2020 · 44:51 3 Popper (Karl) 3 Dec 2019 · 32:43 4 EVERYTHING'S ALLOWED, BUT NOTHING IS POSSIBLE! Michel Clouscard, May 68, French Theory & Capitalism 14 Jul 2021 · 23:47 5 10#6 Guerre et Paix : "Les pulsions de mort progressent en silence..." (Freud) 8 Dec 2021 · 59:46 Summary produced automatically from 128 of the passages below, to be reviewed; the numbers link to the moment in the session.
Who is this? Claude Lévi-Strauss ( klawd LAY-vee STROWSS; French:; 28 November 1908 – 30 October 2009) was a Belgian-born French anthropologist and ethnologist whose work was key in the development of the theories of structuralism and structural anthropology. He held the chair of Social Anthropology at the Collège de France between 1959 and 1982, was elected a member of the Académie française in 1973 and was a member of the School for Advanced Studies in the Social Sciences in Paris. He received numerous honors from universities and institutions throughout the world. […]
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Series · 3 Dec 2020 Musicosophy 2. From Lévi-Strauss to Nerval on music0:44 The Raw and the Cooked In the overture, he applies the double articulation to music and reproaches dodecaphonism for losing the public.9:51 The Raw and the Cooked He respects dodecaphonism but regrets that it cuts itself off from the public, unlike Bach.13:14 The Raw and the Cooked He has identified a symptom, even if the therapy can be debated.19:26 He is right: with dodecaphonism the coupling of the two grids decouples, a deadly symptom. 25:28 The most intelligent thing he says: musical pleasure arises from the anticipation allowed by the code and from its subversion. Season 9.2 · 9 Jun 2021 9 #23 "Ruled like music paper!" • Bach • Nerval • Lévi-Strauss31:01 The Raw and the Cooked Criticized by Clouscard, a figure of structuralism against Marxism; with the Mythologiques, he moves from linguistics to music.1:26:44 The Raw and the Cooked Wants to transcend the opposition of the sensible and the intelligible and restore secondary qualities to the commerce of truth.1:37:47 The Raw and the Cooked The exposition of myths demands musical forms: succession, relative density, solo and tutti, recitative and aria.1:51:40 The Raw and the Cooked Myth and music are languages that transcend articulate language while requiring time.Season 7 · 27 Mar 2020 #1 - Harnessed to Confinitude41:23 The Raw and the Cooked A reactionary respected for his musical culture; shows the logic of the savage mind and opens the Mythologiques.42:57 Structural Anthropology His model was Saussurean structural linguistics, which privileges the synchronic.44:51 The Raw and the Cooked In the opening: music and myths share a negation of time; music enters into time only better to leave it.48:40 A decisive thinker of the movement that made Marxism seem outdated in the philosophical field. 52:02 He only became himself during his American interlude. Series · 29 Jan 2016 What is to be done? 1/337:43 The Raw and the Cooked Between the raw and the cooked, there is the fermented: this mixture is the post-Rousseauian moment of his anthropology.41:24 The Elementary Structures of Kinship The prohibition of incest is not natural, but it is as universal as a law of nature.44:04 He later drifts toward an anti-history and a deep ecology; he thinks only of societies without history. Talks · 26 Apr 2015 The Music of History22:46 The Raw and the Cooked great musical culture; noise belongs to nature, sound to culture54:10 music enters time only to leave it 58:49 theorizes the two musical codes, natural and cultural Series · 3 Dec 2020 Musicosophy 4. Sound ghettos3:22 Tends to study cultures like animal species scattered in space, without history. 11:58 Tribute: the composer's talent lies in anticipating the meter expected by the listener. 13:35 The Raw and the Cooked His tripartition of musicians of the code, the message, and myth.Season 6 · 3 Dec 2019 #6.2 • The Logic of the Subject in the face of the reconstitution of Nazism13:18 Founding father of structuralism, of great culture, he takes up Ricœur's formula: his system is a Kantianism without a transcendental subject. 32:43 The Raw and the Cooked The discovery of the rotten between the raw and the cooked illustrates the middle term between natural and conventional.1:01:11 He saw that the prohibition of incest is universal without being natural. Series · 2 May 2019 Dominique Pagani ▷II Michel Foucault2:31 Tristes Tropiques Initiator of anthropology; the first sentence of Tristes Tropiques, typical of the dream of the lone White man among natives.5:32 One of the finest musical cultures in Paris, which does not prevent ideological blindness. 10:07 Structural Anthropology Initiator of the term structure with Structural Anthropology.54:35 The Raw and the Cooked Music taught him to listen to myths; he accepts being a Kantianism without transcendental subject and studies how myths think each other.Season 3 · 1 Aug 2017 #3.1 From Ulysses to Daedalus20:45 Reports a Bororo myth on the origin of fire in which the deer and the jaguar have human form. 1:39:08 Passage listed. 1:44:15 An immense thinker with great musical culture, but anti-Marxist: drowns the tool in language and understood nothing of praxis. Talks · 8 Jun 2017 Negritude and negrologists / Adotevi by Pagani (2017)19:32 The Bororo with whom he conversed did not ask themselves the question of their identity. 38:31 After him one says anthropologist rather than ethnologist; he had the merit of recording oral narratives. 40:57 Tristes Tropiques Great musical culture, Le Cru et le Cuit his bedside book; but Tristes Tropiques expresses the white man's fantasy of wanting to be alone.44:47 His relation to the Bororo reflects an investment in a fantasized purity of the native. Talks · 8 Aug 2015 Mythology and Truth28:39 The Raw and the Cooked In the Mythologiques, he sees in music the key to myths and makes Wagner the father of the structural analysis of myths.34:43 He does not seek what men think in their myths, but how myths think themselves through men, and among themselves. 46:05 His formula is taken up and applied to the poem of the people. Talks · 23 May 2026 NEO-FASCISM AND THE IDEOLOGY OF DESIRE: Is Michel CLOUSCARD still relevant? - with Dominique PAGANI38:36 The Elementary Structures of Kinship Clouscard applies his structures to the middle strata: elder, younger, and career changes.Season 13 · 9 Aug 2025 The repression of the subject in bourgeois civil society54:50 A great thinker who began the demarxification of the university by dealing with "peoples without history"; he validates the formula "Kantianism without a transcendental subject." Season 13 · 17 Dec 2024 The essence of evil - Innocence of nature, horror of naturalism!43:35 Made the structural analysis of myths and says Wagner had done it first. 48:53 The continuity between the two myths is structural in the Lévi-Straussian sense. Season 12 · 22 Dec 2023 Birth and carnage - The Massacre of the Innocents30:11 He seeks to rehabilitate a logic of sensory qualities neglected by the logic of concepts. Season 11 · 22 Jul 2023 Worldliness in Clouscard - The world as "cunning of reason"2:10:50 The Raw and the Cooked Opposes nature and culture; in Amazonian myths, the jaguar teaches fire to man; between raw and cooked there is a third term.Season 11 · 29 Jun 2023 Worldliness in Clouscard: Aragon and the positivity of the negative1:43:30 The Raw and the Cooked Starting from this book, music replaces linguistics as the model of intelligibility.Series · 3 Aug 2022 SCHUBERT - THE DIVINE CAPTIVES • Pagani Parle Musique0:00 His formula, according to which music only enters into time in order to leave it, touches the essence of all music. Season 10 · 10 Jun 2022 #14 Caves of Yesterday and Today - From Plato to modernity1:42:01 The Raw and the Cooked An anthropologist made use of against Marxism. His musical overture recognizes Wagner as the father of the structural analysis of myths.Season 10 · 10 Feb 2022 #9 PICTURES AT AN EXHIBITION: Art, seen from here or from the other side?1:07:14 The Raw and the Cooked The myth of the call of rotten wood: the shortening of human life, an example of natural religion.Season 10 · 8 Dec 2021 10#6 War and Peace: "The death drives advance in silence..." (Freud)59:46 A specialist in myth, he advances the study of kinship; yet his "societies without history" open the way to cultural relativism and the liquidation of the Marxist reference. Season 10 · 3 Nov 2021 10#4 From Lascaux to modern music, the permanence of the political stakes in aesthetics16:42 Induced an anthropological conception of cultures as species scattered in space rather than as historical stages. Series · 14 Jul 2021 EVERYTHING IS ALLOWED, NOTHING IS POSSIBLE! Michel Clouscard, May 68 and the capitalism of seduction23:51 A serious formalization, valid for societies without history; his Kantianism without a transcendental subject rids one of history. Series · 14 Jul 2021 EVERYTHING'S ALLOWED, BUT NOTHING IS POSSIBLE! Michel Clouscard, May 68, French Theory & Capitalism23:47 His formalization is serious but only holds for societies without history; his Kantianism without a transcendental subject evacuates history. Series · 10 Mar 2021 Musicosophy 16. Programme music / Pure music18:26 Notes that when painting became abstract, people began to speak of concrete music. Series · 7 Feb 2021 Musicosophy 14. Mozart once more14:01 Music, like myth, enters time only to exit it. Season 9.2 · 29 Jan 2021 9 #13 How can sciences of history be real?4:32 An admirer of Wagner, whom he knows in detail. 6:10 Sees in Wagner the undeniable father of the structural analysis of myths, and even of tales (see The Mastersingers). 13:02 His sentence on Wagner is recalled as the thread of the session. Season 9.1 · 24 Dec 2020 #10 Benefits and harms of amnesia...1:14:24 Despite his neo-Kantianism: music and myth enter time only to better escape it. Series · 17 Dec 2020 Musicosophy 7. The Greeks, myth and music26:09 The Raw and the Cooked The opening explains that music replaces linguistics as a model: myth and music enter time only to leave it.1:01:17 Thanked for this connection between myth and music. Series · 15 Dec 2020 Musicosophy 6. The Jazz Variation... by Beethoven6:42 Classifies composers into musicians of code (Bach), of myth (Wagner), and of message (Beethoven). Season 9.1 · 3 Dec 2020 #7 Answers to questions (continued)12:10 The Raw and the Cooked Introduced mathematical models into the study of myths; in the "Ouverture," he makes Wagner the father of the structural analysis of myths.Season 8 · 2 Jul 2020 #12 • Return to the logics of the subject49:21 The Elementary Structures of Kinship A neo-Kantian, he distinguishes laws of nature from rules of culture; the prohibition of incest is an exception.Series · 23 Aug 2019 D. Pagani / M. Clouscard's reply to C. Morilhat (1987)1:13:47 The Raw and the Cooked Father of structuralism; subscribes to the definition of his system as a Kantianism without a transcendental subject; the raw is natural, the cooked is cultural.Season 5.2 · 2 May 2019 #5.6 Nature or Landscape?1:14:42 The Raw and the Cooked In the overture, the music enters time only to better exit it.Series · 12 Mar 2019 Dominique Pagani ▷II Pablo Servigne2:40:49 Very cultured, but obsessed with overpopulation at the end of his life: the Malthusian never counts himself among those who are one too many. Season 5.1 · 6 Dec 2018 #5.2 bis FaceBookLive / Questions (1)1:01:21 The Raw and the Cooked Establishes the break between nature and culture, which he prefers to call history; among the Bororo, the jaguar teaches fire.Series · 5 Jul 2018 Being and Code13:25 Commented on by Derrida in "Structure, Sign and Play." 27:35 The Raw and the Cooked He replaces ethnology with anthropology and calls himself a specialist in societies without history, a double play on words.48:54 He makes Wagner the father of the structural analysis of myths. 1:27:28 Neo-kantian, like Althusser, through the rupture between the logical and the ontological. Season 4 · 16 May 2018 #4.8 Angélique (by Nerval)33:21 The Raw and the Cooked Benevolent maternal uncle; the jaguar who gave fire eats raw meat: the logic of savage thought.Season 4 · 12 Feb 2018 #4.5 Angélique (by Nerval)1:34:58 Proposes the rule for human matters, distinct from law, such as the incest prohibition. Season 4 · 15 Jan 2018 #4.4 Angélique (by Nerval)1:19:14 The nature-culture opposition. 1:19:55 The Raw and the Cooked Amazonian myth: the hero who answers the call of the rotten wood makes human life measured.Season 4 · 18 Oct 2017 #4.1 Angélique (by Nerval)1:26:49 The positive role of the maternal uncle; wife-giving and wife-receiving kinships; "an in-law relative is an elephant's thigh." Season 2 · 1 Aug 2017 #2.7 Between crisis and war: Philosophising?8:35 The Elementary Structures of Kinship Evoked for the precision of kinship ties in myths.1:08:24 Great respect for his musical culture and his kinship studies, but critical of his anti-progressivism and of the culturalism that claims him. Season 2 · 10 Mar 2016 #2.4 Between crisis and war: Philosophising?3:05 Gurvitch detested him. 41:03 The Raw and the Cooked He opposes nature and culture, but finds the interest in the third term between the raw and the cooked. He also criticizes his late Malthusianism.Series · 2 Feb 2016 Hegel on the Beach 5/51:10:06 The Raw and the Cooked The raw and the cooked, nature and culture, and intermediate stages: the moldy, the fermented, the marinated.Season 1 · 10 Dec 2015 #1.4 Between crisis and war: Philosophising?1:21:08 "Mental constraints," heirs to the Kantian a priori. 1:25:16 The Raw and the Cooked The fermented and the rotten, intermediate statuses between raw and cooked, comparable to the Kantian bridge.Series · 8 Dec 2015 Dominique Pagani on Michel Clouscard - The paths of praxis 1/226:19 His transcendental structuralist formalism is complicit with Heidegger's ontology in the denial of praxis. 51:11 As a sociologist of his generation, he received training as a philosopher. Series · 27 Dec 2014 M for Music6:08 A non-Marxist author who saw that music enters into time in order to leave it, producing a time with predictable avatars. Series · 20 Sept 2014 #2 Rousseau, a world that begins27:58 Considerable work on kinship, but he deals with "societies without history" and favors synchrony. Season 12 · 2 May 2024 Neo-fascism and the ideology of desire - Clouscard, as relevant as ever (cf. Macron's ultra-warmongering remarks)57:51 The misuse of his anthropological definition reduces culture to one's culture of origin. Talks · 23 Mar 2024 SAHELIAN AFRICA AND IMPERIALISM: Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger - with Dominique PAGANI38:28 Cultural matter in his work corresponds to historical matter in Marx. Season 11 · 3 Sept 2023 Worldliness in Clouscard: Desiring what? Through whom??2:10:29 Cited by Althusser in Reading Capital. Talks · 29 May 2023 PHILOSOPHY with PAGANI: D for DESIRE5:13 The Raw and the Cooked In the overture, he makes Wagner the undeniable father of the structural analysis of myths.Season 11 · 14 Oct 2022 Clouscard and the problem of Socrates14:18 Starting from him, one speaks of anthropology. Season 10 · 24 Nov 2021 10#5 The figure of Antigone, such as into herself at last...32:51 His poorly digested posterity gives rise to culturalism, which scatters cultures across space like species. Season 9.2 · 3 Apr 2021 9 #18 Twilight of the Gods, or from repetition to liberation1:18:48 He makes Wagner the undeniable father of the structural analysis of myths. Season 9.2 · 17 Mar 2021 9 #17 The geopolitical metaphor • Planck • Descartes • Clouscard • Dominique Pagani1:17:47 The Raw and the Cooked Passing from raw to cooked is leaving the purely natural order.Series · 9 Feb 2021 Musicosophy 15. Plato, Rousseau, Hegel and music26:51 The Raw and the Cooked His openness to music evoked in a previous conversation.1:04:50 The raw-cooked pair, to which he adds the fermented as a middle term. Series · 24 Jan 2021 Musicosophy 11. Modal and tonal music3:27 Distinction between noises in nature and sounds in culture. 23:02 Post-Lévi-Straussian culturalist relativism disappears before measurement. Series · 18 Jan 2021 Musicosophy 10. The two Klemperers and Bruno Walter in Wagner1:20:54 Example of structuralist relentlessness against history, progress and the universal. Series · 15 Jan 2021 Musicosophy 9. Romantic irony and the Vinteuil sonata6:46 Against his relativism: musics in the plural, a history in the singular. Series · 11 Jan 2021 Musicosophy 8. Happiness and unhappiness in music1:39:37 Reminds us that music plays on both a cultural grid and a natural grid. Series · 3 Dec 2020 Musicosophy 3. What is called modern music?1:31:14 Critical reflection from the previous session, on code and message. Talks · 5 Oct 2020 Calves and Things (2): Ecologism, the highest stage of capitalism?8:48 Cited among the structuralists. Season 8 · 9 Jul 2020 #13 • Return to the logics of the subject58:06 In him culture is opposed to nature. Season 7 · 17 May 2020 #8 • Harnessed to confinitude1:51:30 Cited alongside Balandier among the sources Hegel did not have. Season 7 · 4 Apr 2020 #3 • Harnessed to confinitude16:50 Studies how myths think themselves through men and among themselves; a less radical anti-humanism. Series · 10 Sept 2019 D. Pagani / M. Clouscard's reply to C. Morilhat • Part Two40:06 Among the masters of thought treated by Clouscard. 1:04:39 He was used to liquidate Marxism; he had a great musical culture. Season 5.2 · 30 Jun 2019 #5.8 Nature or Landscape?18:09 To speak of cultural matter is to speak as a Lévi-Straussian structuralist. Season 5.2 · 26 May 2019 #5.7 Nature or Landscape?40:13 For him the non-natural is cultural. Season 5.1 · 31 Dec 2018 #5.3 The philosopher's Odyssey: Revolutionary thought53:33 In his work, the world of culture. Talks · 6 Oct 2018 Dominique Pagani "On Marx"25:02 Cited among the mentors hostile to humanism. Talks · 12 Jun 2018 In conversation: Dominique Pagani - Bernard Friot - 1 June 201838:03 An anthropologist trained as a philosopher, he broke with ethnology. Talks · 20 May 2018 Marxist Café - Work and the right to work26:36 Structuralism is not a humanism. 1:01:27 Marx had worked on mythology before him. Season 4 · 12 Apr 2018 #4.7 Angélique (by Nerval)10:19 The maternal uncle is a benevolent figure; kinship regulates the exchange of goods. Talks · 12 Mar 2018 Tonight, we repoliticise. Part 11:04:17 Imposing relation to others amounts to returning to his societies without history. Season 2 · 1 Aug 2017 #2.6 Between crisis and war: Philosophising?1:29:21 Structuralist era of the omnipotence of the signifier. Talks · 19 Jun 2016 At the bistro with Pagani: part 29:14 Myth becomes a truth on a second scale: this is Lévi-Straussian. 22:21 Targeted by Clouscard for structural invariance. Talks · 18 Jun 2016 At the bistro with Pagani: part 134:25 Fights the universal in the name of the difference of cultures. 57:19 Claims to have spent his life studying societies without history. Series · 1 Feb 2016 Marx on the Beach 1/254:34 Macaw feathers, a decorative and cultic object among Indians. 1:10:54 Sees in Wagner the unquestionable father of the structural analysis of myths. Series · 1 Feb 2016 Hegel on the Beach 1/52:38:18 Cited among the master thinkers dominant since the 1970s. Series · 29 Jan 2016 What is to be done? 2/339:10 We find in him the dichotomy between nature and convention. Season 1 · 11 Dec 2015 #1.7 Between crisis and war: Philosophising?56:36 The Raw and the Cooked Man has passed from the raw to the cooked.Season 1 · 14 Sept 2015 #1.2 Between crisis and war: Philosophising?35:44 His results are used to encourage culturalism. Series · 17 Dec 2014 D for Desire5:35 The Raw and the Cooked States in the overture that Wagner is the undeniable father of the structural analysis of myths.Series · 29 Jan 2012 Everything is allowed but nothing is possible - Michel Clouscard - 28:30 almost Marxisant early in his career, he ends up anguished over overpopulation .jpg)
Series · 3 Dec 2020Musicosophy 2. From Lévi-Strauss to Nerval on music
